Geno has to get better pre-snap, Geno in 2014 held onto the ball the 2nd longest out of active starting QBs that year. If I am a coach of the Jets and I see Geno improving in that aspect, then I will not sign Fitzpatrick.
I firmly believe that the coaching staff at the time had something to do with that. How much it is yet, to be seen. I do think that Gailey's offense is tailor made for Geno to succeed, if he can't do it under Chan, then he can't do it.
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Chan's offense might be a perfect fit, Marshall and Decker might be the best imaginable receivers, and Forte might be the best compliment anyone could ever put with Geno. However, looking at the depth chart on the O-line, there's no way anybody can convince me this is the right year to put Geno Smith under center for this team. Easily the biggest advantage RF offers this team as currently constructed is the ability to get the ball out of his hands in a hurry-- it just so happens Geno Smith is his opposite in this regard. I do think Geno could be successful in the right place, but I don't think the 2016 NYJ is that spot. I think putting him out there would be the biggest waste of a season since WF Hunter was giving defensive players free guided tours of Mark Sanchez.
You're assuming the o-line will be as bad or worse than last year. Clady, if healthy, is a major upgrade over last years Brick. I think Breno will also be gone by the time they leave training camp. They are solid on the left side and winters looked OK at RG last year. The RT is likely to be a question mark, but is unlikely to be worse than Breno last year. They'll be in their second year under this offense also. I think they'll likely be average next year, but I guess it can go either way.
And you're not cherry picking stats and situations to fit what you're trying to say? Get real dude. He was a backup tossed into starting duty after failed projects in 05', 08' & 09'. He's n Fitzpatrick was tossed into a starting role in several situations, as he started off as their backup as he does on most teams he ends up on. Why are we talking about three incomplete seasons, beginning with one in 2005? Fitzpatrick threw 31 touchdowns last year and 15 picks and rarely if ever took a sack in bad situation. The question isn't IF Geno can improve, because of course the answer is yes. The question is if he will improve. Did you watch the Oakland game at all, you dope? Did you see the two game ending sacks Geno took to put the nail in the coffin on us, leading us to not even considering going for it on 4th down? It's like you only want to look at stats. I'm speaking about what I've seen and went back and rewatched and how much room their is for improvement yet how unlikely it is to happen because of the main issue he has; hit him early and he feels it all game regardless if there's a pass rush. That's a trait that doesn't go away. It's just funny. The one place you don't go to try to validate your point in him improving is Geno taking sacks (and bad sacks at that). And that's exactly where you went.
more excuse making. in a WCO, you are supposed to unload the ball quickly. It wasn't the system, and Mornhigweg has a really solid track record of working with QB's prior to Geno (and is still a QB coach in Balt), so I'm not sold on the coaching being the problem either. Geno clearly lacked pre-snap recognition, pocket awareness, and good decision making. Just look at the Buffalo game where he started out throwing 3 straight INT's before being benched, and tell me how that's on the coaching or system. In terms of a second chance, he's already had that too. New coaching staff, clean slate, and penciled in as the incumbent starter, and what does he do? He demonstrates immaturity and a lack of leadership en route to getting his jaw broken. i don't understand how or why you guys are banking on all this having magically changed during the offseason.
I didn't cherry pick - I picked the start of Fitz's career to the start of Geno's career. It took Fitz 5 seasons to get to a similar amount of starts, but 2 of those seasons don't really count as he didn't play. Your claim Fitz was tossed into duty, Geno wasn't tossed into starting duty after the injury to Sanchez? So Fitz after 5 years in the NFL was a close statistical comparison to Geno (worse in some regards) after 3, but has improved since then so much that people want him to be the go to QB. But Geno has no chance of improving, I got it makes perfect sense.
Fitz is a great comparison to Geno. Both QBs sucked at first and Fitz improved from suckitude to mediocrity. So did Alex Smith. They're the only ones. Now for some of the QBs who started out sucking and continued to suck: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Jamarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, David Carr, and many more. So does Geno have a chance of improving? Yes. Is it at all likely? No.
Hopefully he lights it up early on in camp and runs with the job so we can see it Nothing wrong with signing a vet as insurance...Foles or McCown would do You can't tell me Fitz is that much better than this scenario...that he can hold the Jets hostage and then demand $10 million plus when we can get someone of his equal or atleast close for like 2-3 mil
I think he already has (gotten better). I think that's the chief reason that Mac hasn't caved and given Fitz what he wants. I think Geno held onto the ball for too long because he didn't know the offense that well, struggled to make reads, and because none of the crappy receivers could get open. Mornhinweg's offense, Mornhinweg and Rex were part of Geno's earlier problems, but so was Geno's immaturity and poor work ethic. Everyone knew he wasn't ready to start except Rex and Idzik. Rex's lack of concern or knowledge about offense, his lack of discipline and holding players accountable certainly didn't help Geno any, either. I agree with 336 that Gailey's offense is perfect for Geno. I trust Gailey. He believes in Geno, and I don't think he'd put his reputation on the line and keep giving kudos to Geno if they weren't deserved.
It isn't "excuse making." Those are legitimate reasons and anyone who knows anything at all about football can understand and accept them. No one is saying that those are the only reasons Geno struggled. Not every player can excel or succeed in every system. That is particularly true for QBs. To begin with, Geno wasn't ready to start in the NFL. Everyone except Rex and Idzik knew that Geno needed to sit for at least a year, if not two. He wasn't ready to read NFL Ds, he wasn't mentally or emotionally mature. He had played in a simple spread offense at WVU and wasn't ready for Mornhinweg's complex WCO with its varied drops and timing routes and/or taking snaps from under center. Not having decent receivers, and then not having the same group of receivers in games from week to week or from practice to games makes a huge difference in timing, trust and chemistry. Mornhinweg did NOT have a solid track record of working with QBs. That's flat out laughable! Name some of those great QBs that Mornhinweg developed. Geno did lack pre-snap recognition, and for that reason should have never been thrust into the starting position or on the field. That isn't his fault. Lots of rookie QBs (the majority) have that problem. That was a big part of why he needed to sit for a year or two, so he could not only learn the offense, but learn how to read Ds and grow up /mature. According to reports from OTAs, that is largely an issue of the past. It remains to be seen whether or not he can do it when the games count, but it appears that he has worked hard, and that should not be much, if any, of a problem going forward. It's common knowledge that in order for players to play well in the NFL, they can't think too much on the field. Instinct and reactions have to take over. Geno was having to think too much, and with an immature, addled mind, he never had a real chance. He wasn't prepared to play, didn't have the emotional maturity or real confidence in what he was doing. It's little wonder he screwed up so much. One can't make good decisions when one doesn't really know what one is doing. Geno gets part of the blame for that for not having a better work ethic and for feeling entitled and taking it for granted, but imo the majority of the blame goes on Rex, Mornhinweg and possibly Idzik, if he pressured Rex to start Geno. Geno deserves whatever criticism anyone wants to lob at him for being immature, taking it all for granted, and not having a good work ethic. Then again, Geno isn't the only young man to come into the NFL with those issues. That's why the CS is supposed to teach and discipline players and hold them accountable. The "adults" (Mornhinweg and Rex) are supposed to be able to ascertain whether a young player is ready to start, knows his position, is mature enough to handle the pressure, and knows his system (be it offense or defense), and then if the player isn't ready, tell him to have a seat on the bench, not start him. If Rex had been worth a damn as a HC, and Idzik worth a damn as a GM, Geno would have never seen the field his first year or two in the NFL, and you and the other haters here would have no reason to hate him or be so ready to kick him to the curb. He hasn't had a second chance. People usually don't grow up or change overnight. That's true of football players, too. Just because Bowles and Mac came to the team doesn't mean that Geno immediately grew up or should have. Sometimes it take real adversity for people to wake up and learn and grow. Yes, he demonstrated immaturity and lack of leadership in dealing with Ik, and it cost him, but that was what helped him to wake up and begin growing up/maturing. He's now been in Gailey's system for a year. He's now had the benefit of Bowles' leadership and coaching. He was humbled and had a lot of time to think about what he was pissing away. According to reports, Geno is now showing much greater maturity and leadership. He has a ton more talent than Fitz. IMO it would be stupid to just cross Geno off and not even give him a chance to show whether he has truly changed and grown or not. I could be wrong, but I think he has grown and changed. If given the opportunity, I think we'd see a very different, vastly improved Geno out on the field this year. Magic has nothing to do with it, and it isn't just the offseason. He's been in the NFL for 3 years now, has seen a lot, and hopefully learned a lot, both about life and about himself. Growth and learning are a process, not "magic" or overnight events.
If you look at it strictly in terms of numbers/statistics, then no, it may not be likely. Thank God, people are more than numbers or statistics. We are capable of learning and growing. Adversity can open our eyes and force us to grow up. According to the comments made by Bowles, Jets players and the media, Geno appears to have matured a lot, learned a lot, worked hard and grown, and in fact, has already improved. To truly understand what his chances are or how likely it is that he has improved enough, one would have to speak with Geno, observe his play, speak with his CS, and have some understanding of his attitude, mindset and heart. No one here has that.
His decision making has always been questionable but Gailey will simplify that. We won't know how much he's improved until someone hits him on the field, not during OTAs. Will he take a bad sack or run out of bounds? Decisions like those lose football games.
I agree that Gailey will fix that or at least make it a lot better. Agree that we won't know for certain what we have in Geno until the games count. TC and Preseason will help, but the real answer is when the games count.
