Republican Nomination Thread

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  1. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    How mature of you. I believe you probably should have taken Petrozza's hint.
     
  2. The Waterboy

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    The northern border has about 1.7% the number of illegals crossing it compared to the southern, it could be next after the other wall is finished.
     
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    Just think.. Everytime you like a post in tapatalk you're making a little donald trump hand
     
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  4. The Waterboy

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    The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Tax Plan

    Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan directly meets these challenges with four simple goals:

    1. Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.
    2. Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.
    3. Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.
    4. Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.

    The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

    1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
    2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
    3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
    4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.
    The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral

    The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:
    1. Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
    2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
    3. Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
    DETAILS OF DONALD J. TRUMP’S TAX PLAN

    America needs a bold, simple and achievable plan based on conservative economic principles. This plan does that with needed tax relief for all Americans, especially the working poor and middle class, pro-growth tax reform for all sizes of businesses, and fiscally responsible steps to ensure this plan does not add to our enormous debt and deficit.

    This plan simplifies the tax code by taking nearly 50% of current filers off the income tax rolls entirely and reducing the number of tax brackets from seven to four for everyone else. This plan also reduces or eliminates loopholes used by the very rich and special interests made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rates on individuals and companies.

    The Trump Tax Plan: A Simpler Tax Code For All Americans

    When the income tax was first introduced, just one percent of Americans had to pay it. It was never intended as a tax most Americans would pay. The Trump plan eliminates the income tax for over 73 million households. 42 million households that currently file complex forms to determine they don’t owe any income taxes will now file a one page form saving them time, stress, uncertainty and an average of $110 in preparation costs. Over 31 million households get the same simplification and keep on average nearly $1,000 of their hard-earned money.

    For those Americans who will still pay the income tax, the tax rates will go from the current seven brackets to four simpler, fairer brackets that eliminate the marriage penalty and the AMT while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II:

    Income Tax Rate Long Term Cap Gains/ Dividends Rate Single Filers Married Filers Heads of Household
    0% 0% $0 to $25,000 $0 to $50,000 $0 to $37,500
    10% 0% $25,001 to $50,000 $50,001 to $100,000 $37,501 to $75,000
    20% 15% $50,001 to $150,000 $100,001 to $300,000 $75,001 to $225,000
    25% 20% $150,001 and up $300,001 and up $225,001 and up

    With this huge reduction in rates, many of the current exemptions and deductions will become unnecessary or redundant. Those within the 10% bracket will keep all or most of their current deductions. Those within the 20% bracket will keep more than half of their current deductions. Those within the 25% bracket will keep fewer deductions. Charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions will remain unchanged for all taxpayers.

    Simplifying the tax code and cutting every American’s taxes will boost consumer spending, encourage savings and investment, and maximize economic growth.

    Business Tax Reform To Encourage Jobs And Spur Economic Growth

    Too many companies – from great American brands to innovative startups – are leaving America, either directly or through corporate inversions. The Democrats want to outlaw inversions, but that will never work. Companies leaving is not the disease, it is the symptom. Politicians in Washington have let America fall from the best corporate tax rate in the industrialized world in the 1980’s (thanks to Ronald Reagan) to the worst rate in the industrialized world. That is unacceptable. Under the Trump plan, America will compete with the world and win by cutting the corporate tax rate to 15%, taking our rate from one of the worst to one of the best.

    This lower tax rate cannot be for big business alone; it needs to help the small businesses that are the true engine of our economy. Right now, freelancers, sole proprietors, unincorporated small businesses and pass-through entities are taxed at the high personal income tax rates. This treatment stifles small businesses. It also stifles tax reform because efforts to reduce loopholes and deductions available to the very rich and special interests end up hitting small businesses and job creators as well. The Trump plan addresses this challenge head on with a new business income tax rate within the personal income tax code that matches the 15% corporate tax rate to help these businesses, entrepreneurs and freelancers grow and prosper.

    These lower rates will provide a tremendous stimulus for the economy – significant GDP growth, a huge number of new jobs and an increase in after-tax wages for workers.

    The Trump Tax Plan Ends The Unfair Death Tax

    The death tax punishes families for achieving the American dream. Therefore, the Trump plan eliminates the death tax.

    The Trump Tax Plan Is Fiscally Responsible

    The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:
    1. Reducing or eliminating deductions and loopholes available to the very rich, starting by steepening the curve of the Personal Exemption Phaseout and the Pease Limitation on itemized deductions. The Trump plan also phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-income earners, ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests. These reductions and eliminations will not harm the economy or hurt the middle class. Because the Trump plan introduces a new business income rate within the personal income tax code, they will not harm small businesses either.
    2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate. Since we are making America’s corporate tax rate globally competitive, it is only fair that corporations help make that move fiscally responsible. U.S.-owned corporations have as much as $2.5 trillion in cash sitting overseas. Some companies have been leaving cash overseas as a tax maneuver. Under this plan, they can bring their cash home and put it to work in America while benefitting from the newly-lowered corporate tax rate that is globally competitive and no longer requires parking cash overseas. Other companies have cash overseas for specific business units or activities. They can leave that cash overseas, but they will still have to pay the one-time repatriation fee.
    3. An end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad. Corporations will no longer be allowed to defer taxes on income earned abroad, but the foreign tax credit will remain in place because no company should face double taxation.
    4. Reducing or eliminating some corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
     
  5. JStokes

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    This is a totally entertaining observation of social and political interaction.

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  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Seriously, there's no way we're going to build that wall. It would be extremely expensive and ultimately ineffective in keeping illegals out of the country. It would stop some of the individuals who try to cross the border but it wouldn't stop the professionals who smuggle people across and it certainly wouldn't stop organized efforts to defeat the security. Even if we decided to pony up for the investment, which might well be open-ended, the movement of illegals would continue, just in other areas.

    The current fenced section of the border, which runs for 670 miles, is designed basically to keep vehicles from crossing at the point and significantly hinder pedestrians. It's about 10 feet tall in most sections and would hinder an unorganized attempt to cross it. Pros with a plan would be over it or under it at a particularly convenient point in minutes.

    The plan that is envisioned now is a double fence manned by Border Patrol Officers. The number of officers is debatable depending on how the surveillance technology is implemented but the ongoing cost would be significant. The construction and maintenance costs would be significant. About the only thing the plan really has going for it is that it would be a jobs program in areas of the country that can really use the jobs. It might be worth doing for that reason alone.

    When Trump talks about making Mexico pay for the wall he is actually dealing with the reality of the situation: which is that he'd never get the appropriation through Congress. A Conservative Congress would say no to the dollar amount and the big government involved and a Liberal Congress would say no to the dollar amount and the priorities involved. We're already trying to downsize the prison system significantly because the reality is that it's expensive. Just Say No to Drugs was cheap, locking up people who wouldn't do that and the people who supply them has been very expensive over the years.
     
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    Again...History.

    Remind me how ineffective the Berlin Wall was?
     
  9. Hobbes3259

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    I'm too sexy for my shirt
    too sexy for my shirt
    too sexy
    it hurts...

    lmao
     
  10. 74

    74 Well-Known Member

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    Not as bad as that cheap Chinese wall... godamm Mongolians
     
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    Ineffective? Hardly, if a complete fence is erected. The San Diego fence cut apprehensions by 95%. Of course other patchwork sections are not going to work as well but a complete border fence would work. It worked in San Diego and it works in Israel. Couple the fence like that with some type of rods buried with the ability to detect tunneling below the surface.

    Even if it only stopped half of those trying to get in illegally there would probably be a savings of about $1 billion a year in government benefits and services paid to those illegals. At that rate the wall would pay for itself in short order.
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    oops
     
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    the wall would pay for itself many times over. take a look at how much money illegal immigration costs annually. it's one of the few things I like about trump.

    it wouldn't keep all the illegals out but they wouldn't still be flooding in by the million. I don't see you poo pooing any "gun control" laws because they wouldn't be 100% effective so let's not start using that bar now.

    also, even though he's generally a pompus ass I have to give bb credit for his point on people drawn to authoritarianism being into trump. he's wrong as usual to take a shot at all of them as simpletons but there's definitely that group of trump supporter.
     
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  14. JStokes

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    For a guy who said he's not comparing Trump to Hitler, you sure mention Hitler a lot when discussing Trump.

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  15. HomeoftheJets

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    As someone who is pretty good with math, there is no way in hell that plan is revenue neutral. Until someone actually writes a balance sheet for that plan, my two sentences are worth more than that entire post.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    There's never a plan proposed by a presidential candidate that makes fiscal sense when you break it down realistically. It's all dogshit.

    But they work on it when they get in office and make it right.

    Just look at ObamaCare. That turned out to be totally awesome.
     
  17. JetBlue

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    Oh the irony. Trump is an authoritarian but liberals want government to control all aspects of our lives -- give us free health care, give us free college, criminalize speech we don't like. Yeah, that's not asking government to be a commanding authority in our lives. The only difference is semantics.
     
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    In that case, why bother copying and pasting the plan into the discussion?
     
  19. Br4d

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    Not very. It had guards every few hundred feet with orders to shoot to kill, orders that would never be given in a modern democracy. It had multiple canals to supplement the wall. People still went over it and through it fairly regularly. They found ways to defeat the security measures at the checkpoints. Most importantly, it was designed to keep people out of a bit more than half a city and it failed to do that reliably. 96 miles of wall with 302 watchtowers. You want to transpose that onto a 1370 mile border between the US and Mexico only to find that lots of people get through anyway and anybody who knows how to defeat security gets through most of the attempts?
     
  20. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Because it's make-believe crap in a political thread on a football forum.
     
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