Republican Nomination Thread

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  1. joe

    joe Well-Known Member

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    "screams?"….. melodramatic anyone?…

    I know, poor Slick Willie, everyone out to get poor, poor Willie …..he who put the 'non-consensual' in sensual.

    Our mileage probably varies: my white trash former president; your partisan hero.

     
  2. The Waterboy

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    Actually she admitted to only having sex with 7 men, all she married. Of course no one can know the absolute truth but all these other stories come out of an unauthorized biography, not direct from Taylor.
     
  3. pclfan

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    Actually, point well taken. I hope it's not true. I had a higher personal regard for Reagan before I heard the story. As for JFK. It's hard to refute all of the stories you hear about him.
     
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    Reagan had appointed hardliner Drew Lewis as Transportation Secretary and let Lewis set the tone for negotiations. The union's asking for a huge wage increase and a 32 hour week were normal negotiating stances that were never agreed to even though every other nation in the world had their controllers working much shorter hours than the USA. Three decades later, the FAA is still a terrible employer as far as protecting the health of its workers as evidenced by recently revealed studies regarding rotating shifts and short turnaround times.
     
  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The problem with Trump is that we can't declare national bankruptcy and remain the worlds reserve banker. His kind of turnarounds have been based on the notion that you can crash to ground level and then build yourself back up using other people's money. He's done that at least twice in his career. That won't work for us.

    It's going to take a very nuanced set of solutions to get the US fiscal house in shape and the one word nobody has ever used about the Donald is nuanced.

    Basically we have to get around the fact that we're only really solvent as the world's banker without alarming enough people to lose the job.
     
  8. The Waterboy

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    So a 10% raise and 32 hour work week were not good enough? I have no problem with unions when they negotiate fairly but it has to make sense for both sides. When they try and hard line their way to ridiculous 20-50% raises then I don't back them.
    Many unions have negotiated their workers out of a job. While I don't agree with big manufacturing taking many of their factories overseas some of that blame falls on the unions for never being happy with what they had and pushing for more and more to where some companies could no longer afford to manufacture here.
    Air traffic controllers currently average $120K a year, not sure what these terrible working conditions are but people work split shifts everywhere and for $120K a year I wouldn't expect the job to be a cakewalk.
     
  9. Ralebird

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    There was no 32 hour proposal, more like a convoluted schedule averaging 37-38. The pay may have been in the 10% range for some, but not all. The main problem at the union was they were all flying by the seat of their pants and had nobody who knew what they were doing. Reagan and company threw away his pledge of cooperation and took advantage of the Patco naivete.

    Other workers who handle shift work don't have the lives of hundreds or thousands of people hanging in the balance, they just make glove compartments that rattle.
     
  10. Dierking

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    Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
     
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  11. Br4d

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    As long as you can print your own debt and other people will buy it.

    It won't work forever. It's not clear it will work for another decade at this point. All those small European debt crises are setting us up for a big one somewhere over there and we're going to be next after that.
     
  12. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Reagan had it right. Less government, less taxes. The assholes that refuse to go with less government don't make him wrong.

    You cannot tax your way into prosperity. You cannot spend public money irresponsibly.
     
  13. Br4d

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    The US taxed and spent our way into prosperity quite well during the 50's and 60's. It was the Vietnam War that brought down the house. That and OPEC suddenly realizing that oil was actually a commodity that they should be making real money from, what the market would bear.

    The middle class was in pretty good shape until the Oil Embargo in 1973.
     
  14. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    It was a lot easier to over tax companies before the global market became a reality. Now they just leave taking their money and jobs elsewhere. This is a real problem.

    I'd like to hear how Bernie Sanders intends on addressing it with his plan on "substantially" raising corporate taxes. It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.
     
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  15. Dierking

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    Government expanded during the Reagan administration. As the old codger once famously said "Facts are stupid things."
     
  16. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    The discussion on Reagan began on his failure to accomplish the shrinking part. He wanted to shrink it, which was right.
     
  17. BrowningNagle

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    Reagan expanded the government more than perhaps any president before him. He set into motion the ever growing government we've seen since his tenure.
     
  18. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    What I'm saying is that his idea of less government was right, despite not accomplishing that. Maybe I'm not being clear, but that's the conversation going on.
     
  19. Dierking

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    So Reagan is universally revered amongst conservative Republicans despite that fact that he was incapable of enacting a crucial half of his program. Tax cuts which were essentially tax deferments as deficit spending reached heights it had never before.

    Sounds about right. At least he had a good idea. Which is nice.
     
  20. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    right. and what I'm saying is that he was a snake oil salesmen that sold people on the belief in small government but in turn chose a different path. You believe the snake oil claims- that's fine, he was a pretty good actor after all, and he obviously carried his acting skills with him to the White House
     
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