Republican Nomination Thread

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  1. NY Jets68

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    Because as objectionable as Cruz's political views are he's not all over the road like a pickup during a blowout event.

    You have to listen to what people are saying when they're saying really outlandish things as public figures. Usually they mean them.

    Adolf Hitler didn't sneak up on Germany or anything. He said he was going to use governmental force to cow and control Communists, Socialists, Intellectuals of the wrong political stripe, Jews, Gypsies, basically anybody who was seen as an outsider. Then he went and did it.

    When Trump says he's going to round up illegal immigrants and register Muslims and expand the use of torture you have to believe him. Then when he rounds up any Hispanic American who can't immediately prove citizenship and registers and begins to round up Muslims, including American Muslims who cannot immediately prove citizenship, and authorizes federal authorities to use torture on the people they detain, well, that's kind of what he said he'd do, right?

    When you're registering for your national ID just remember that the card comes with a "paper's, please" guarantee alongside it and if you wind up rounded up by the wrong taskforce that could be you getting waterboarded. The Supreme Court will side with you 100%, years later when it comes to light.
     
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    Very appropriate for today's American political landscape.
     
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    Yep. This is pretty much the motto of minorities in fascist countries. But to be honest, America is far from Hitler's Germany and will never ever be even if Trump wins. Br4d is exagarating a little bit. :)

    Also I will let you know if they register me as a Muslim and send me to a concentration camp :D
     
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    I prefer someone with principles who respects the constitution over someone who appears to be a fascist and says whatever they believe is going to get them more votes rather than what they believe.
     
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    If they do, I'll make sure you have plenty of smoked food to trade for cigs... :)
     
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    No smoked food necessary Grandpa. I will be thankful to God as long as they don't smoke me while in concentration camp. :)
     
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    Bloomberg has decided not to run...
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    what a pussy
     
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    What's scariest to me is that we've built the national security infrastructure to make a fine police state since 9/11. All it's going to take is the wrong guy in charge and we're in major trouble. If W had come into office with the apparatus that is in place now the political and cultural landscape would be unrecognizable. He and Cheney set this up and now we're waiting for the other foot to fall on it.
     
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    "Leave the sheep here and get on the bus."

    "But, but, I must tell TGG!"

    "Okay, you're entitled to one phone call; write down the number."

    "Here, here it is..."

    "This is not your family, this is not your lawyer. Who is this Scopes character?"
     
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    yep, in NEFL too...... all "anti-Trump" ads, with a very occasional (and ridiculously BS) "Rubio" promo mixed in
     
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    Republicans have 4 polls today.

    Hawai,Idaho, Michigan, Mississippi. If Trump wins all and Florida, I think the race is over.


    Awesome :D
     
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    and the dumb people of this country have asked, no begged for it. with idiotic sayings like i dont have anything to hide.... if you arent doing anything wrong what are you worried about....
     
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    shit its worse than that. people in this country share everything on social media now anyway. The government doesnt even have to spy on us, we volunteer everything about us for "likes"
     
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    Regarding yours and Brad's previous post, I am familiar with the arguments why Trump stands at the very least for a kind if incipient authoritarianism. I tend to share that concern, but only up to a point, I would say precisely because Trump's movement lacks intellectual coherence beyond certain limited core principles. In that regard it is an error on your part to suggest that fascism necessarily is lacking in principles. Certainly Italian fascism in the 1930's had its principles. And in Germany the super-nationalist wedding to the industrial powers was not without principles.

    A closer historical parallel might be found even further back in history, specifically in the case of the coup d'état engineered in 1851 in France by the descendent of Napoleon named Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte, and his followers. Karl Marx of all people reported on this event as a journalist, and his work The 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon is an interesting comparator to today's situation. The work is seen as an early identifier of the conditions that would, could, lead to 20th Century fascism.

    (What I find interesting about it is how Marx struggles with the way his (otherwise) beloved proletariat could seem to get involved in reactionary and authoritarian movements. His assertion that his reporting would "demonstrate how the class struggle in France created circumstances and relationships that made it possible for a grotesque mediocrity to play a hero's part." certainly resonates in the Trump campaign. In his work Marx identifies the lumpenproletariat, as a part of the proletariat that, in contemporary terms, are losers - bums, vagrants, criminals, etc. Of course that is not a good parallel today to Trump supporters. But is true that many Trump supporters are all of angry, desperate and not winners in the economy(to be sure not all are), but I digress.)

    Quite simply the reasons I do not see strong parallels to any of these three comparators is that in all three of those cases the basic social and economic conditions were far more dire. And while a significant percentage of Trump supporters evidence a perspective that would parallel the supporters of those three movements, I do not think most fit that description. I think most Trump supporters feel it is time to shake up "the Establishment", much as Bernie Sanders supporters do. But they have not signed onto a fascist movement.

    But then so do Cruz's supporters want to reject the status quo, and I do not see a lesser threat from him. His model might be more theocratic than simply fascistic. But he has his own brand of authoritarianism, and his speeches on foreign wars are just as chilling. Making the desert sands glow? Carpet bombing (which has not been military doctrine for over 40 years - what a know nothing)?. In fact Cruz shows much less flexibility in his thinking, adhering to a very orthodox if extreme version of supply side economics. At least in that regard his VAT/flat tax plan is far more radical and likely to cause harm than Trump is.

    As between the two, they strike me as a classic case of choosing between a rock and a hard place, or Scylla and Charybdis. They both suck.
     
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    Despite saying I don't think most Trump supporters are fascists, and having an equal concern if not greater about Cruz, some of his speeches are quite alarming. They remind me of the observation Molly Ivins made about some Pat Buchanan speeches in 1996. She said they had been translated from the originals in German.
     
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    BN

    I admit. When I do a job interview, I try to look up the candidate in social media by using some keywords in his/her resume. Social media tells a lot about a person.
     
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    There is no candidate I like everything about. Certainly Cruz stating a desire to see the sand glow is unappealing.
     

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