Report: "Zach Wilson was fundamentally falling apart"

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  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Fundamentals are the coachable thing, the basics. The headline doesn't make sense. Like saying "a torrential sprinkle".
     
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  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Limited college reps? He started for three years.
     
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    Yeah, and to Chris Mortensen I say - shut up, you dumb cunt. This was irresponsible. I kept reading for something that actually REPORTS news. What we get instead is his best shot at building a story from the top down. Jets hire John Beck => John Beck helped Zach Wilson with fundamentals at BYU => Zach Wilson’s fundamentals must be “falling apart”. No attempt to quote any source, even for a generic, organizational denial. Lazy dickface.

    Here’s an another theory using the same basic facts: Zach Wilson is a young, talented kid playing behind a weak offensive line and the Jets - REMARKABLY!! - took the proactive step of investing in a coach to do nothing but watch and work with him until the organization could (hopefully) build a team around him. That’s a good thing and, frankly, it pisses me off to see the Jets do something good only to have a lazy reporter spin it negative, based solely on his own conjecture.
     
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    Full disclosure, I had concerns about Zach Wilson coming out of college. Maybe not the same concerns as some. Without going through his whole background, my concern focused on the culture shock of the New York market and lifestyle. About as far from his Utah up-bringing as you can get. My solution? Geishas. A friggin’ team of them. Like, 50 or more. Paid to do nothing but tend to Zach’s every need. Traditional ones. Not these modern-day pseudo-geishas that shop at Talbots, call Uber Eats and wear surgical gloves for a pregame handjob. But don’t get me started on the decline of the geisha industry.
     
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  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That would make for some interesting soaking. I mean, when would they make that annoying crying noise?
     
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    I think going into this offseason you go all in on both lines via draft. In free agency, add another weapon or two for Zach, along with some other defensive pieces.

    Next year will be year 2 in the same system for everyone.

    As much as I've been a critic of Zach, which many of you have beat me up for, I think next year is the true evaluation year for him. If he looks as indecisive and in disarray as he's been this year--we probably have to bring in a vet the next year like the Colts did with Wentz OR draft an available QB in the 2023 draft.

    It wouldn't actually set us back as much as you would think--as long as the rest of team is set up for success....essentially you would just insert the new QB in an already solid team. This is what we did with Sanchez and free agent Favre.

    My prediction (feel free to quote me): Zach is not going to end up being the guy. I sniff these things out and the coaching staff is hiding Zach because he is truly lost right now and the game is too big for him. The injury is not the reason he hasn't come back yet--at least not the only reason. I do think the team will be pretty damn good next year though and we find our guy the following year to plug into a pretty cool team! I think the chasm will be too big for Zach and the Josh Allen jump is a unicorn, he's also more big, strong, athletic and durable than Zach as it is.
     
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  7. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The common denominator among all of the young quarterbacks struggles is bad offensive line play that they’ve all compounded by holding on to the ball for too long.

    More and more teams are playing cover 2 against them as well and forcing them to find holes over the middle against zone defenses which they’ve all been incapable of doing. Part of that comes from a lack of chemistry with veteran receivers that understand where the holes are at the same time the young quarterback recognizes them.
     
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    We don’t have to have ZW to be a great QB, just a solid efficient QB next year and let it take care of itself. We can’t give up on the kid and at the same time we can’t rush him. Agree we need to build around him and hopefully White who will be the solid back up QB.

    I worry about the draft because the Jets have a need for nearly every positions except for a QB, and may not be enough to help out ZW. So JD has to hit the FA well this off season. Carter should be solid RB next year to help the Iffense and his QB move the chains.
     
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    The OLine doesn’t suck entirely though. They have one player who is bad and is near tops in the league in pressures with Van Roten but the rest are average or better. Fant is having a career year as well. This line is in much better shape overall than what it has been in the last 5 years. With a healthy Mekhi and an upgrade at RG in the off-season, the OL is looking up for next year.
     
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    I'll see it when I believe it... :confused:
     
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    Hindsight is 20/20 but the Jets blew it by not trading down in the draft and taking Mac Jones. A.) because Mac will be the best pro and B.] to keep him from New England,,,not to mention the additional picks.

    ultimately the Wilson pick will get Douglas fired in a couple of years. Like most GMs he fell in love with the arm strength of Wilson and disregarded the intangibles of Jones. As Brady has said, being a QB is more than how far you can throw and your time in the 40.
     
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    ROFLMAO!!! Dude, you are clueless, and have no idea what you're talking about. Mac Jones would have gotten killed on this team with this CS and OL in the first 6 games. He is a game manager, and that is not the type to get you into the playoffs and win a SB unless you have a great team around him and a HOF HC.
     
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    Mac Jones (riding the pine for a year) + (as it stand now) 2, 5 (Seattle), 7 (Miami), and 14 (Philly) sounds to me like a better situation.

    Philly wanted to trade up but only for Wilson so the above situation is 100% realistic.
     
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    I remember the days when a 'story' had to have more than a single quote to qualify as newsworthy.

    Competent grammar was also considered essential, not just a nice little bonus if you could manage it.
     
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    Mortensen called the recent hire of John Beck, Wilson’s personal QB coach, to the Jets staff “suggests as we once showed you, fundamentally Zach Wilson was falling apart.”

    “They’re trying to get him grounded back to his fundamentals,” Mortensen said.

    Soo....this is entirely Mortensen's speculation as to why the Jets hired Beck.

    Got it.

    LOL another gem of an article
     
  16. The Dark Knight

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    Zach Wilson is going to be fine. He will be a solid, if not great, starting QB in the NFL. He just needs to keep learning and growing in this system. He has the tools to succeed. How about giving the kid a chance? He actually was looking pretty good in the Patriots game before he was injured. I can't say the same for the rest of the team in the game.
     
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  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    So basically, another ESPN employee stepped even further than inserting themselves into a story by fabricating the story completely and blatantly.

    This is exactly what Schefter did on draft day when he pulled that Aaron Rodgers shit and then admitted he did it to Dan Patrick.

    Fuck Disney.
     
  18. dmw

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    Yeah. The guy has no mobility and he would get crushed by the pass rush against the Jets.
     
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    Hes been working out with beck this entire time. This article is speculation garbage. There are no specifics to anything here. A click baity link
     
  20. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    If you’ve seen Mortensen and Schefter together on TV the past couple years, it looks like they let Mortensen keep his job so he doesn’t wither away but they don’t actually pay him.

    “Here Grandpa, you can break the news about the Dolphins 3rd string linebacker having Covid.”
     
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