Hey, I have no problem being questioned about my opinions - I'll answer the same question as many times as it takes to be understood. We're being civil to each other, nobody's calling anybody any nasty names. I'd much rather deal with differences of opinion that way than having people put words in my mouth or create false scenarios and strawmen.
I am pretty sure Russ Wilson also wasn't fully recovered, but he got out there last week, because even not at 100% he still gives the team competing for play-offs a better option than Smith. In fact he played like shit not being fully healthy, but still, I get it. In our case though, situation is different. If Zach was already established FQB with team competing for play-offs, it would make sense to play him. Being a rookie, who is still very much going through growing pains, it's best to wait until he is 100%, which would then give him the best chance to continue development.
I respectfully disagree. The Jets' CS have seen White in practice for months and in a little over 2 games. They know that he is not accurate on deep throws. The rest of the NFL knows it now too. Particularly with our D being unable to stop the other team, all the other team has to do is take away the short passes, and force White to have to throw long, exactly what Buffalo did. There is nothing to be gained or learned from that. They know that he can play and be a decent backup. Zach can certainly not learn anything else from watching White. At least Flacco is somewhat similar to Zach in that he looks to throw the ball downfield and make big splash plays. Zach could learn more from watching a vet with a ton of experience, even a washed-up one, than he could White. The Jets want to win some games, and Flacco gives them a better chance than White.
Spot on! It's sad that many of our posters can't understand that. Starting White would be another disaster like the Buffalo game. This is precisely why the Jets traded for Flacco. They knew that White couldn't throw accurately over 15 yards, and that the rest of the NFL would know it after a game or two. Flacco gives them their best chance to win this game because he has seen this D before, and he can throw more accuracted on intermediate and long passes than White. Also, with Miami's blitz and how often White has gotten banged up, why risk either White or Zach? Josh Johnson had a great game vs the Colts, but he's not a very accurate passer and doesn't have the playing experience that Flacco has.
I disagree. You're thinking like a fan, not a football coach. Strategy is part of the game. In a normal situation where one has a veteran starting QB, yes you stick with him. This isn't a normal situation, however. White and Zach both are rookies in terms of their actual starting experience in the NFL. We saw what happened in the NE game when Zach couldn't figure out the NE D. At least he would have a chance vs Miami if he were healthy, because he's more elusive and can scramble and throw off platform, and he can throw long. In this situation, starting Flacco is exactly the right move. White wouldn't have a chance. It would be a massacre. Why on earth would you start a QB who can't throw accurately over 15 yards against a D that specializes in taking away short passes, and blitzing the bejeebers out of QBs. Do you want to get White hurt? Shred his confidence by having him throw two straight games with 4 interceptions? Playing White would many of the posters here were killing Zach for, i.e., not taking what the D is giving and instead trying to force things. Well, in this situation, White would be trying to either force short passes so that he can complete them and be successful when the D is giving the long passes, or he'd be trying to do something that he and everyone else knows he can't do, i.e., throw long accurately.
all the fake macho shit here is ridiculous... typing away while at your job that has nothing to do with professional football... the new skill players on O, like Carter and Moore and also including CD and Mimsy (is he available??), need quality reps and to get a taste of being a competent NFL offense...
Think about what you just said: "backup of the future". There is no such thing. Yes, it's nice to have a long term back-up, but that's all he is - a back-up. CS feels Flacco is a better back-up and you have to play a better player. White had his chance and while he got off to great start, overall his stats are mediocre with 5TD and 8INT 75 passer rating. He crashed down and got exposed a bit with longer ball accuracy, lack of mobility. Also for some reason he keeps getting injured every game. Next year who knows, if Joe does well, he might as well get resigned over White.
Sorry, I am not buying any of this Zach's not back from his injury propaganda. Here's the real story nobody wants to talk about: Zach is no where ready to face that NE style, exotic blitz Flores defense. It's clear his ability to read a defense is no where close to where it needs to be and is affecting his ability to play. Lawrence, Jones, Fields and even Davis Mills have shown the ability to improve as the games have went on to read defenses and show steady improvement in that area. I think right now, the two boom/bust prospects are Wilson/Lance. Right now, Wilson is going to have to make a RARE Josh Allen type of jump to be anywhere near a competent player. IMO, if he doesn't finish out the season with at least competent stats--we should mentally prepare for a suck for Arch Manning campaign in a few years. Hopefully our clueless owner will know how to properly tank for a generational QB by then...
A big part of our win against the Bengals was the element of surprise. As an unknown quantity, Mike White succeeded as the Bengals did not have a chance to key on his weaknesses or to understand how capable we was with our game plan that day. Even if they believe that Joe Flacco gives us the best chance to win, why tell anyone? If Miami spent the whole week preparing for Mike White only to see Joe Flacco under center wouldn't that give us a better chance to win. While I think our biggest problem is ownership our coaches seem very shaky right now.
But ownership just writes the checks - it's the front office and the coaching staff that collect those checks that are charged with putting together a team and winning games - it's all on them.
If White is so weak he has to be hidden from good defenses then he isn't even good enough to be a back-up, because every time he came into a game or had to start, the opposition would know exactly how to beat him. We need to know if he can improve and overcome his weaknesses. If he proved unable to hit on anything other than short passes again, then he doesn't even warrant a spot as a back-up. If he improves, then he has a future. There is a question there and it can be answered by playing him more, in a season that is already lost from anything but a player-evaluation/development standpoint. There is no question over Flacco. He is a below average washed-up QB who will not be on the team next year.
I kind of disagree with some of the takes here. I don't really think the Bengals game was due to the Bengals getting surprised or fooled as a one time thing. White and the Jets just took it to 'em and flat out beat them. And lets remember the Jets were lucky AF to win that game after the defense sagged a little and allowed Bengal points in the 2nd half, we got that miracle block/pick, and that outrageous helmet to helmet penalty. White looked just as effective against the Colts, maybe even moreso, before sustaining nerve damage. Then against the Bills I think you (somewhat predictably) saw the results of one of the best defenses around, and the Jets defense was allowing so many points so fast it knocked the offense off its game and put more pressure on them. GVR getting beat for the hit on White caused that first pick which multiplied problems even worse. My god we could use an improvement there. Until and unless he proves otherwise I think White not being great at throwing deep balls is probably true although lets remember we are looking at a pretty small sample size. After days of reflection I don't have a big problem at all with starting Flacco. He has a solid resume, knows what he's doing, and the Jets are in an absolute disaster of a run right now outside of the Bengals game miracle. Just the same way I feel that Mike White is probably a better NFL QB right this very second than Wilson doesn't mean Wilson isn't/shouldn't be the future, Flacco might well be a better option right this second vs Miami all things considered even though I hope and want White to be the backup QB here for next season and hopefully beyond. No matter what is happening at QB though, even if they all are complete failures something has to improve on this defense. Good god.... I don't think I ever remember an NFL team giving up this many points in a month. Even the miracle win they gave up 30-something and didn't look that good outside of a couple plays.
I'm not convinced that White is a dud yet either. He's put in as much good football as bad. His next game would probably tip the scales one way or another and give us more of an idea of whether he can be a long-term option as back-up or (long-shot I know) a competent starter. People make up their minds very quickly about fifth-round draft picks though. The same things that are excused as growing pains for a first-rounder are held up as proof positive of incompetence for a fifth-rounder.
Saleh is sending a bad message to that locker room. You got a guy in White that worked his ass off for the job. Hes a team favorite, I mean Wilson said its his best friend on the team and the rest of the guys in that locker room appeared to really respect him. He had great success and then stood in there and took a beating for his team afterwards. He made no excuses, he got beat just like the corners & safeties and everyone else last week all that and yet- he's going to the bench for a malcontent like Flacco who just had his agent pull some numbers to get here halfway through the year. They are trying to develop young players here. Part of that is developing them to be headstrong and deal with adversity. This flies in the face of that. "All gas no brake...." except when your coach faces a little media criticism. Then we take a break and bring in some washed up veteran to lose close games
