Religion - a respectful discussion, for those interested

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  1. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    The chaos in the Church since the 60s is in part due to all of this. The mainstream Catholic Church is hardly even Catholic anymore. The Novus Ordo Mass is a disaster, the Church hardly teaches the Catholic faith anymore and has allowed the culture to run amok without any resistance. The Mass and priesthood were once the realms of the masculine. If you've never seen the Tridentine Mass, go watch one (or go to one if you happen to have one nearby). It's like a completely different religion.



    In the current mainstream Church, it's become extremely feminized with things like liturgical dancing, cheesy music (ever hear the Gloria with the tune of My Little Pony?), girl alter boys, lack of reverence, priests that hardly do anything to lead or condemn sin (everything is great, everyone is going to heaven, and Jesus loves you! *barf*). It's a disaster. The hierarchy has completely sold out to the world. Why follow something that stands for nothing? The only place that the Catholic faith exists in it's pure form these days are the places where the Tridentine Mass is still offered. So many people grew up in the Catholic Church and were taught garbage theology and were presented with complete fluff as a religion. It's truly sad, and no wonder why so many fell away and continue to do so.

    Anyway, a heterosexual man will never molest a child just because he has to live a life of celibacy. It's complete nonsense that anyone would believe this. They would just go and have an affair with a woman... which I'm sure is tons more common than the whole molesting boys thing. Even a heterosexual pedophile wouldn't molest a boy. Nope, only a gay pedophile would so. It's no secret that there's a huge gay contingent in the Church with lots of power. These people rose to power in the early 20th century and have continued to have power for quite some time. Many popes have condemned any one with same sex attraction from entering the seminary. Men who desire to enter the seminary are supposed to go through a screening process for things like this. It makes logical sense. Throw a gay man in a situation where he's going to live with all men all the time and it's not a recipe for chastity. It would be like throwing a man to go live in a convent.

    However, with people who are gay often running the seminaries, many gays get in and are not reprimanded for their actions in seminary. There are many stories of heterosexual men leaving the seminary after being harassed by gay men and their superiors doing nothing about it. Heterosexual men who are more orthodox in belief tend to get chastised, given crappy assignments, and such. With the Synod approaching, things will only get worse. I tend to think that if the Catholic Church had no divine protection, with the way men have run it over the past two thousand years, I'm not sure how it would have survived.
     
  2. LeonNYJ

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    Celibacy is a tradition really only followed in the Latin Rite of the Church. The Eastern Catholic Churches (as well as the Orthodox) don't follow the rule of celibacy. For them if you get married before become a priest then you're good to go. However, once you become a priest, if your wife dies, then you're done. Either way, there was no shortage of priests in the 50s and 60s, back then the seminaries were overflowing. All throughout history there was no issue. The issue today is that the Church since the 60s has become so modernized and is presenting itself as something not much different than Protestantism. Why give up a life of having a wife and family for that? Add in the Mass apostasy (people leaving the Church and those who stay but reject most/all of its teachings) and you get what you have today.

    If I had to live in celibacy and couldn't live up to it, I'd go after a woman, not a little boy. Those long standing priests loved by their parishes were gay and probably pedos since day 1. Many gay men become priests because if the fear of "coming out," so they hide in the priesthood and live their gay lifestyle within it. Others do so because they don't wish to act on their homosexual desires, so they think they can become a priest and it will go away. Instead, they run into even more temptations since they're constantly surrounded by men. They can't overcome them and decide to so these things. That's a fact.

    Seminaries are empty because the Church has failed in the past 50 years to promote masculinity and teach the Catholic faith. Men won't give up their lives for the Church as presented in the past 50 years. If you understood how the Catholic Church used to be compared to today's Disney version, you'd have a different understanding as to why the seminaries are empty. Places which offer the traditional Latin Mass (Tridentine Mass) are having explosions of people entering traditional orders (FSSP, ICKSP, SSPX, and others).
     
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  3. TommyJ

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    the catholic church, stunting humanity's evolution for century upon century now
     
  4. TommyJ

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    the Seminaries are empty because its the year 2015, and there's been outrageous advances in technology and science.
    People walking on water, rising from the dead, raisng people from the dead, feeding people 5000 people with 2 pieces of fish, born to virgins, etc.
    just doesn't hold the sway it used to. Rightly so.
     
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    They should have Bat Day.
     
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    i loved bat day at yankee stadium growing up in the 70's!
     
  7. TommyJ

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    awfully quiet in here, no Truth, no upheaval i guess
     
  8. JStokes

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    I went one year in the old stadium--the one with the girders blocking views and got my bat and saw Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew with Minnesota.

    I got a Thurman Munson bat. I think one of my brothers got Roy White, one got Jerry Kenney and I'm pretty sure one got Mel Stottlemyre.

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  9. TommyJ

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    i had season tix from '75 when they played in shea through '87 then i moved out here.
    i got roy white, reggie, craig nettles, i even got an oscar gamble bat!! that guy's fro was money!!
    the fun part was walking around during the game and trading with other kids.
     
  10. Truth4U2

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    "So what’s the big deal?, we wonder. What’s so wrong with a city “softening” religious rules and traditions and becoming more accepting of those who don’t espouse Christianity? Nothing and everything. Yes, we should accept people for who they are and embrace our differences. But throwing God out proves to be a deathblow to our culture, our kids, and mankind.

    First of all, we need God. He teaches us about love and grace. He prods us to love when we don’t feel like it and to find a moral compass and take a stand for what we believe is right and what is wrong, regardless of who agrees with us. Take as many trips to the Louvre as you like, and you won’t find those things there.

    And our kids need God. Studies show that kids who have a belief in God do better in life. They have less depression, are less likely to get involved in all the high risk activities like drugs, sex, and alcohol; do better in school; and live with better balance. And that’s just the beginning. God gives kids a sense of purpose and value. Believing that they were designed for a specific reason and that they aren’t an accident gives kids a strong sense of self. They belong to someone and they fit somewhere. Every child craves those things."

    Good parenting is the business of teaching our kids the best way to live. And this absolutely cannot happen if we leave God out of the picture. Rather, God must be the center from which we start. We can surround our kids with beautiful things; but if we neglect their souls, have we given our kids anything at all?

    Meg Meeker, M.D.

    https://megmeekermd.com/2012/11/why-we-must-keep-god-in-our-parenting/

     
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    "Studies show"
     
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  12. JStokes

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    The Catholic Church hates gays and does not accept them for who they are.

    Your institution is rife with hypocrisy.

    As long as you're not a gay kid looking for a belief in the Catholic Church's God.

    Their God does not need you.

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    Meg Meeker, MD appears to be Truth's alter ego. Neither has qualifications to speak to religious issues but that doesn't stop either of them. Where is the humility? Isn't pride some kind of sin?
     
  14. Truth4U2

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    Those are common misconceptions among people who know little about the Catholic Church.

    The Catholic Church loves gays, and because of that, it teaches them the same truths as it does everyone. The truth about human sexuality. about chastity, which leads to the integrity of the human person as a mature adult. Those individuals with same sex attraction must love each other in a chaste way, which for them is different than for a married man and woman. Since a man can only have sex with a woman, and a woman can only have sex with a man, given biological reality, a person with same sex attraction can have a life partner of the same sex, but is called to celibacy, just like a religious person (Priest, Nun, or Brother) is called to a life of celibacy. And in spite of our culture's warped idea about sex, celibate individuals are often happier, more joyful, and more fulfilled in their lives than promiscuous individuals helplessly flailing from person to person in a fruitless search for love. Sex produces momentary pleasure, but does not produce lasting happiness, or joy. Only sex between a married man and woman is ultimately fulfilling, producing happiness and joy, and sexual intercourse, from a strictly biological standpoint, is the union of the genitalia of a male and female. That's it, despite what our culture might try to invent for itself and teach us.
     
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    You're a fucking jerkoff.

    Just STFU.

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  16. JStokes

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    The Catholic Church does not accept gays in the lifestyle they choose.

    And if the only acceptable sex in the eyes of the Catholic Church is between male and female genitalia, how come the Catholic Church accepts priests ass raping little boys?

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  17. Truth4U2

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    Dr. Meg Meeker is a medical doctor, and she wrote a non-religious book on raising children which references numerous scientific studies that prove that children derive significant life benefits from religion. These were careful scientific studies. The media covers what it wants to, those stories that fit the agendas they want to put forth. And, sadly, we live in an individualistic, hedonistic, relativistic society that refuses to believe that there are absolute truths regarding human beings, human behavior, and society...ironic given all of the scientific truths we have discovered, like gravity and other physical laws of the universe, yet somehow we think that each human being has his or her own set of "personal truths", and that biology somehow does not define us, and even discoveries in psychology may apply to other people, but they don't apply to ME, I am "my own person", I life by "my own realities", what's right for you may not be right for me......if this sounds ridiculous, it should! But this is the philosophy put forth in the media and believed by many people today, as ridiculous as it is. We all have different personalities, that's true, different tastes in music, food, etc, but to deny that we all share a common human nature is to deny biology, and psychology.
     
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    The Catholic Church accepts all people, but it teaches what it teaches, and does not condone sinful, unnatural behaviors and lifestyles. Love the sinner, hate the sin, basically. Sin eats away at us to our core, and represents self-destructive behavior. If the Church accepts my sinful behavior and does not teach me how to live well, then it is not really loving me, is it? (if your kid chooses to experiment with dangerous drugs, and you don't accept his lifestyle choice, are you not accepting him, or not loving him? Of course not)

    I am a straight, heterosexual man, but if I make poor behavioral choices, I am living in a way contrary to my faith. The Church will not condone those poor behavioral choices, but it will still love and accept me, just as Jesus Christ Himself loved sinners and preferred to spend time with them, and teach them. He preferred honest sinners who wanted to improve their lives to the hypocritical, self-righteous religious leaders of that time (the pharisees...).

    And the Church obviously does not accept Priests who committed sex crimes, which is why it spent so much money and instituted safe environment procedures to correct the problem. Which it has done. Thankfully the Church has effectively addressed those scandals and moved on, which is why it's been 15-20 years since that was an issue. As I've described before, it's extremely hard for someone to be admitted to a seminary to study to become a Priest today. Those safeguards were put in place a quarter century ago.
     
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  19. JStokes

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    An ARCHBISHOP was banging young boys in 2013.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/w...xual-abuse-is-found-dead.html?ref=topics&_r=0

    STFU. It's still going on today.

    Male genitals to prepubescent male anuses.

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  20. The Waterboy

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    Your stupidity is astounding. To paraphrase what you said, "The church loves gays they just have to be gay in a way that is not gay". Just shut the fuck up already.
     
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