Religion - a respectful discussion, for those interested

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  1. ChrebetCrunch

    ChrebetCrunch Well-Known Member

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    Accept for the part where we do have life without god. No demonstration of god's existence leads to a default of no god. If god exists, what bigger thing made god? We would not have god without bigger god.
     
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    "That which doesn't kill us makes us strong."

    Freddy "God has left the building" Nietzche
     
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    Hey, CC - do you understand what quotation marks mean? In this case, they indicated that the words were written by Mr. Truth. Please direct all future responses to him...or is it Him?
     
  5. ChrebetCrunch

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    I do. The open quote was on a different line than the quote.
     
  6. Truth4U2

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    OK, you are right, what you just said is true. ..... of course, if it is a "computer" it would need to be created by someone or something, and if it is an "alien" it would also need to be created by someone or something, right? So that leaves a supernatural entity as the only possible explanation then, doesn't it?
     
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    There are not "thousands of other gods from various religions", there is only one God, but that one God is experienced differently by people in different cultures in different parts of the world, and other religions draw on experiences that originated before Jesus Christ came, before God's latest revelation
     
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    Well, you know, that's just like your opinion man.
     
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    talk to the greeks, they had a god for just about every last thing, sun, war, wisdom, you name it , there's a god for it.
     
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    Everyone has the same God, but we're the only ones that experience him correctly
     
  11. ChrebetCrunch

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    No. It could have been another computer or alien. If it was a supernatural entity, what created that supernatural entity? Maybe a computer or an alien. Oh, I know, Santa Claus, The easter bunny or an invisible pink unicorn who only eats turkey bacon.
     
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    The only problem with your statement is that it's wrong. Explain the religions that existed before christianity was made up?
     
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    I pray to the Greek god of premature ejaculation so that I can last long enough to get a call back from this girl I am seeing. She needs at least two minutes of steady thrusting or else she will pray to the Greek god of the purple penetrator.
     
  14. Dierking

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    Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you.
     
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    Or the Norse gods, not sure how Odin along with his children Thor, Balder, Tyr, Bragi, Ull, Vidar, Vali, Hermod and Heimdall could all be one god. Add to that Odin's three wives and Loki, Frey, Freya, Idun, Od, Sit, Hel, Angrbod, Njord, etc. Yep, one God for sure.
     
  16. ChrebetCrunch

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    I don't know, and that is a valid answer. Not knowing leads to questions. If my questions do not lead me to an answer, I stick with not knowing. Answering the question as if I knew is irresponsible.
     
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    Stop using history and logic. It hurts a creationist's brain.
     
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    Dude, that was a comic book and then a movie.

    The Bible was an historical accounting of the one true God.

    Please, this is a respectful religion discussion.

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  19. Truth4U2

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    True, but my point is that what they referred to as different gods turned out to be different aspects of the same God. Subsequent revelation revealed this. As I mentioned earlier, the different religions of the world represent the evolution of religion throughout history. Unfortunately, pride, tradition, and the resistance of people to accept that what their ancestors believed, and what they believe, could be wrong, leads people to cling to "obsolete religions" and to deny more recent divine revelation (the most recent of which, of course, was the incarnation of Christ Jesus.)
     
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    No, you DO know....you proved that earlier in our discussion. I outlined, logically, how what we both know from science leads to only one possible conclusion, a supernatural origin of the universe....again, based on things that we both said, contributions we both made to the discussion, you came to the following conclusion, which I have re-quoted below ---->

    ....but there had to be an origin, a beginning...or what Thomas Aquinas and I believe Plato also referred to as the "uncaused cause", or "first cause". In other words, the chain of causation cannot logically extend infinitely into the past. So there had to be a supernatural being, or entity, that did not need to be created itself, which has always existed and will always exist, as hard as this concept is for us to understand. I don't understand it myself, it goes beyond what the human brain can comprehend. (I'm not saying that I possess the ultimate human brain LOL, just that the idea that something could always have existed, or that something exists outside of space and time, is something that doesn't make sense to us.

    But we both demonstrated, in our discussion, that there must be an origin to the universe that did not itself need to be created. The only possible explanation for this is a Supernatural one, something that lies outside of our known universe. A dimension that we cannot perceive....which, again, science does postulate in string theory. Science tells us that there are dimensions that we cannot detect. And that there was no matter, energy, space, or even time before the Big Bang. So, logically then, something outside of space and time must have given rise to space and time, and our universe, and string theory tells us that are dimensions which we never knew about before. All points to the existence of God. Atheism, on the other hand, contradicts modern science....so while religion is a logical extension of modern science, atheism represents blind faith. (and don't mistake atheism for agnosticism; atheism asserts that there is no god, while agnosticism says that we don't know)
     
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