Religion - a respectful discussion, for those interested

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  1. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    Damn, you are more of a moron than I thought. So Emicho didn't slaughter Jews? Comnenus was getting mercenaries to fight for who's land? What right did they have to that land before they massacred the people that lived there?

    Go read a different book before you come and tell me what are lies. BTW Trey Parker and Matt Stone are still making South Park (18 seasons is a little more than 15 minutes), their net worth is over $350M each and I would much rather watch South Park than go to church. That really has nothing to do with this since I never brought them up and history not them is my source for what I posted.
     
  2. JStokes

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    No link required, this whole thread serves as the evidence.

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    guys this is a respectful discussion, for those interested......provided you agree with everything Truth says of course, if you don't then there is no respect shown
     
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  4. JStokes

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    Interesting that the only two dudes agreeing with each other are the super Jesus freaks.

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  5. joe

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    While we all can agree that engaging 'human sheep' in a pedophiliatic manner is unconscionably beyond the pale, I would like to respectfully take this time to discuss engaging mammalian sheep in what I respectfully contend (comparatively-speaking) is a more humane and and acceptable manner of engagement:

    It is my belief that if "me and ewe" involves two consensual parties, that where we have joined together--plugging away like jack rabbits--let no man put asunder......and let the would be 'bird dog' get his own sheep. I once tried to write a love song about the thrilling rapture I experienced the very first time I found myself in full congress with a quadrupedal queen, but for whatever reason, love songs about sheep just don't come out sounding very good. Undetoured, I was determined to put pen to paper in order to try and capture my thoughts and feelings and this is what I came up with and which I would like to respectfully share here with you all: a love sonnet I wrote several years back under my other cyber nom de plume, Sen. Jay Bullworth).

    And so with all due respect:


    Let’s hear it for sheep!

    ~~~An Ode To My Friends: Sheep~~~

    Now I lay me down to sleep
    With a pair of sheep sitting at my feet
    And if I die before I wake
    I hope I die with a bellyache.

    When asked: “What beast is most prized by you?”
    I reply without hesitation: “I & me love the ewes~!”
    When I go to repose, and flop in my bed
    I make sure to pull the wool over my head.

    When rousting about I leave nothing to chance
    When jousting my mutton-of-love with steed ‘n with lance
    But before I lay me again down to sleep
    A glass of warm milk to wash down my sheep.

    My merino is crafty, clever and sly
    Her bleat is so sweet, she makes yours truly cry
    If ewes were the devil, and beauty were sin
    Right now I’d be wearing such a silly sheepish grin.

    Fine wool, short-haired and mutton-type breeds
    My bah-ba-ba-baby; she answers to “please?”
    Her affections I guzzle when I nuzzle her muzzle
    Sheep-o-phile doubled, a triangle love puzzle.

    Sheep are no different from you nor from I,
    They walk on this earth and look up at the sky
    In truth, sheep are better than man – sayeth me
    They don’t smoke and don’t drink and they’re heroin-free.

    They don’t cheat on taxes 'cause sheep aren’t crooks
    They don’t mug old ladies and steal pocketbooks
    They enjoy a good joke just like everyone else
    They sing better than raindeer and smell better than elks.

    I use to muse about pretty little ewes
    I delight in Woolite instead of fine booze
    If my ewes ever left me, I’d be so forlorn
    No sheep in the meadow, I, a lonely Bighorn.

    So whenever I have a spare moment or two
    I lie back and think about me and about ewes
    So pretty and witty – who brightens my day?
    Why, my good friends, the sheep – I love 'em in a very special way.

    With hoof-in-cheek, and maintaining to this day that you just can’t beat a bleat, I am,
    Your faithful and loving servant,
    Senator Jay Bullworth

    Baaa–baaa—for now
    5/21/2005
     
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  6. Royal Tee

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    Guys...it's unraveling a little... I'm hoping we can keep this a little mature.

    Then there's this...
     
  7. Truth4U2

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    Once again, the first thing you said is a common misconception, and sadly why a lot of people abandon their religious tradition. The age old question "why does God allow evil in the world?". The answer is simple, really....Free Will. We are all free to choose good or evil, and we are free to choose how we want to live our lives. God even respects the freedom of those who turn to evil and persecute His church. So he didn't intervene to strike down those perverts who infiltrated the Church as Priests, or the mentally ill people who were admitted into seminaries back when the Church was not as careful and vigilant about who it let in. He wants us to correct these problems ourselves, and sometimes inspires the good works of his people, but he never blocks the evil deeds of those who oppose the good. It's all in the name of freedom. We are free, ALL of us. God wants us to "figure it out" on our own; he has given us plenty of help along the way, most notably entering human history Himself during the time of Christ Jesus. Sadly, as a human race we have been slow to learn.

    In addition, we have made some crucial mistakes in recent decades, most notably the disastrous "Sexual Revolution" of the 1960's, which was really a backsliding into the errors of previous civilizations, like Sodom and Gomorrah and the Roman Empire. Both were undone by sexual perversion. Paradoxically, the "Sexual Revolution" has killed freedom and happiness. It has killed freedom because it has made us slaves to our base desires, our animalistic sexual urges. It has led to the evils of pornography and abortion, which both lead to misery and abuse. We have regressed, or devolved, from what makes us truly human. Our advanced intellect allows us to "rise above" lower animals and have more control and freedom over our instincts and our bodies. When we give in to our primal urges with little or no restraint, we become addicted to them (sexual addiction and pornography addiction are real problems today, along with the obesity epidemic). We have discarded the wisdom of our ancestors in favor of the juvenile, adolescent pursuit of short-term pleasures. Instead of building virtuous lives that will lead to sustained happiness, joy, inner peace, and contentment, we have given in to dangerous vices and flock to psychologists as a result. Past generations didn't have these problems, at least not to the extent that we do today.

    And sadly, even some Priests, Rabbis, and Pastors have fallen victim to sexual abuses. It all stems from the erosion of family values that the "Sexual Revolution" touched off. If you don't believe me, there are plenty of statistics to back it up. ....also, Priests are easy targets, because of the vows they take and their radical, celibate lifestyle. That's why people may have been targeting Priests with bogus allegations of abuse, instead of the Trumps, Bush's, and Goodell's of the world. Again, a tiny number of Priests were ever accused of misconduct, and of those, how many were legit? We don't know, but again, the Church is known to have money, and people kept digging up these old cases from as far back as the 1960's after the "witchhunt" began in the early 2000's. Seems kind of suspicious to me; these so-called victims stayed silent for 40 years, and only now come out with their stories, conveniently, after it has become "trendy" to accuse Priests and sue the Church....hmmm.
     
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  8. The Waterboy

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    Yeah, god really loves the children but free will rules so pedophile priests could do as they like. One priest abused upwards of 200 deaf children but meh, free will.

    And love how you try and turn it around just because children did not come forward right away. Nice, I like the term "so-called victims" you use. And witchhunt? Seriously just stop.
     
  9. mute

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    I havent read through the whole thread..

    I will admit that ive had some trouble probably due to growing up in a christian home. No masturbation, no staring at women lustfully, no sex out of marriage, no drinking (I have no problem with this), etc. Now that im getting older im starting to question everything I was taught and it has been hard trying to make sense of everything. Every time I do something that is considered a sin I feel very guilty.
     
  10. Dierking

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    this explains giving that broad a handshake
     
  11. JStokes

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    But delusional 1000 character rants about who has the best imaginary friend is okay?

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  12. JStokes

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    17,000 children have come forward saying they've been raped by Catholic Priests.

    And the Catholic Church has denied, excused, hidden them and transfered them to far regions to perpetuate their disgusting perversion.

    But they were just noobies or fake priests, not the REAL priests.

    Like FUCKING BUSHOPS that banged little children.

    Who were no doubt looking for a payday as they limped out if the Rectory bleeding from their schpincters.

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  13. Truth4U2

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    It's not like they waited 5 or 10 years while getting treatment or therapy, we're talking in some cases 40 years. It seems like if you were molested by a Priest you would want to nail the bastard before then, no? Plus the fact that virtually all of the alleged abuses took place between 1960 and the 1980, and yet not one case was made public until many decades later, when the cultural climate and media climate was such that there was a "demand" for stories like these. If you don't think there's been an agenda by some in the media, particularly the NY Times, to smear the Church, then you haven't been paying attention. It's ridiculous how biased and propaganda-driven these reports have been. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these "victims" not only received large cash settlements from the Church, but under-the-table payments from reporters, paparazzi-like, looking for a big story. Don't be naive. I'm not saying there's any proof that these things happened, I'm just speculating here....and the church has never suggested any of these things; it has humbly apologized and issued monetary settlements. But it seems to me that all of the ingredients for corruption are there.
     
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    Please stop with your lies already! I disproved all of your bogus statements earlier in this thread, stop repeating yourself in an attempt to mislead people.
     
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    It sure looks like Truth4U2 is willing to turn a blind eye to the culture of child rape that is rampant among Catholic clergy. There is a complete shock
     
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    LOL at "culture of child rape..."

    That's the story, and the Catholic bashers out there are sticking to it. Propaganda-spewing hate mongers have no use for facts or the truth.
     
  17. JStokes

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    You disproved nothing, you just spouted your brainwashed deflecting bullshit dogma that has never addressed anything I've ever said.

    You cannot compare Catholic Priests to the general population of creeps, rapists and scumbags.

    The rape ratio of Priests to Children should be ZERO and the rape ratio of Bishops to Children should be -1000.

    This is a more scientific statistic than that idiotic ESPN QBR you keep ridiculously touting.

    Priests should NEVER rape children.

    Bishops should NEVER rape children.

    Shame on you for excusing these criminals.

    They are going to rot in hell and their defenders?

    I don't think they are getting into heaven.

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  18. JStokes

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    It's been drilled into his head by his church elders.

    I'm curious to what ELSE has been drilled into him.

    Not really curious, BTW, he deserved it.

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  19. Truth4U2

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    Masturbation is a fleeting pleasure that leads to unhappiness and even despair. It's unhealthy even from a non-religious, psychological perspective. Sex outside of marriage leads to emotional attachment that is quickly broken, resulting in depression and despair. Science has shown that the brain releases "bonding chemicals" during sex that cause a psychological and emotional attachment between sexual partners. It is designed to consummate the marriage bond between a man and a woman. It's part of nature and evolution. When a person jumps into bed with multiple sex partners, he or she is forming and breaking emotional/psychological bonds over and over again, weakening one's capacity to love and weakening the ability to really bond with subsequent partners. Studied have shown that this kind of behavior leads to increased incidents of divorce and marital discord/infidelity. As for drinking, we all know that excessive drinking leads to impaired judgement, including an inability to make good, healthy moral choices.

    As I have gotten older, I have become more and more aware of the wisdom of Christianity and Catholicism in particular. The teachings that we used to think were just oppressive rules are actually guidelines for healthy living, both physically and psychologically. These are inspired rules for life that lead to human fulfillment, peace, joy, happiness, and ultimately heaven which begins on earth when we progress spiritually. And medical science has backed up all of this....amazing that God, who created everything, would gives us rules for living that coincide with our human nature and are in harmony with nature....nice how that works huh? :)
    ...and as for guilt, that's actually a good thing, it's our conscience telling us what is right and wrong, what is compatible with our human nature and what is not, and it leads us to choose behaviors that are healthy and fulfilling. Sin leads to unhappiness and despair, so if I feel guilty after committing a sin, that's a good thing because it helps me to make better choices in the future. And the Catholic Church has a wonderful tool to help us called Confession, where we admit our wrongdoing and hear those beautiful words from the Priest "I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". A weight is lifted off our shoulders, and we truly have a clean slate to start over. And we can go to confession as often as we need, and the more we do, the more grace we receive to avoid sin in the future. Like going through a spiritual car wash, we come out feeling great, like we just got out of the shower, squeaky clean, resolved to try and do better next time....the more we make use of the sacraments of the Eucharist (our spiritual food) and Confession (our spiritual cleansing), our lives slowly but surely become filled fill joy, inner peace, and contentment. We still have problems in our lives, but it becomes so much easier to cope and "roll with the punches". It's truly life changing! If only more people would discover this for themselves....and of course it's not just me that has experienced these amazing benefits, I know so many Catholics who are full of joy and peace as a result of devotion to their Faith.
     
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  20. JStokes

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    I'm having sex outside of marriage.

    How would you judge me? How am I altering the evolutionary process (which the Church denied for 1000 years).

    Please, enlighten me.

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