not barking anyone in particular, after Truth of course, im barking religion period, it does rely on a closed mind. you're taught one way, any other ways are not the way, even with proof involved. no new ideas allowed, its true. Awe's posts are $$$, i know that!
The funny thing is, the Holy Roman Church--the Vatican itself --has changed it's cannons to deal with the sexual abuse of children by Priests yet someone keeps claiming it's all made up lies. It's pure trolling at this point. It's fun pointing out the naive hypocrisy. _
I'd say its common knowledge that the Catholic Church has a very long history of corruption that continues to this day. I mean seriously, its widely understood that the CC serves it's own needs from the abuse scandals to the repression of holy texts. The fact that there is a debate about it is funny. Here is a little nugget; look up why Catholics can eat fish during lent but not other meat. I'll give you a hint, it wasn't always that way and the Roman economy depended on fishing for a long time. What better way to control your 'flock' than to tell them your priests are their only connection to God? ...nonsense
Faithful Jews can teach us all a lot about the importance of patience and perseverance. The following short excerpt is from an Advent/Christmas book of reflections for Catholics/Christians: "The New Testament covers a relatively short period of time, in comparison with the Old Testament. The Acts of the Apostles has challenges and setbacks, but ultimately success stories: Peter is thrown in prison, then is miraculously set free; Gentiles are converted; there are disagreements in the community, but these are resolved; Paul persecutes, but then becomes a Christian. The Old Testament covers a much longer span of time - about 2000 years. There are success stories (the greatest being the Exodus), but there are long, long stretches where there are great difficulties - exile, destruction of the Temple, a long string of terrible leaders, a long drought with no prophets. But the Jewish people still managed to believe in God's promises even in these hard times that lasted not just part of one lifetime, but the lifetimes of several generations. I need to hear about that kind of perseverance so I, too, can trust in God, and learn to bear hardships and setbacks over which I have no control...perhaps for a long stretch of my own life. The Old Testament has a special way of teaching the value of patience in the face of a trial." ~ "The Little Blue Book; Advent and Christmas Seasons, 2015-2016", Diocese of Saginaw, MI (available free at a Catholic Church near you!)
Again, a very good question. ... I agree that it shouldn't be up to the Priest, and it isn't. The Priest does not "decide" who can receive Holy Communion; the rules for that have been "set in stone" since the time of Christ, and are documented in the Catechism of the Church. The Priest doesn't even prevent anyone from receiving communion unworthily; Literally ANYBODY, even non-Catholics, are free to attend Mass and can get in line for Communion when the time comes; there's no way for the Priest to know who is Catholic, much less who is properly disposed to receive. So ultimately, it IS up to the individual's conscience, and so it IS between the person and God. Sadly, many people do receive Communion when they really should not; sometimes through no fault of their own, if they don't know the rules for receiving properly; in that case of course God will not hold it against them. Again, it is only a sin if we know something is wrong, and willingly choose to do it anyway (of course we can't "fake ignorance" to try to trick God, but if we really don't know something, God will never hold that against us). Too many people don't understand that crucial point. It's also why anybody, from any Faith or belief system, can be saved at the end of their life. It's all about what's in our hearts, whether we sincerely try to learn the truth and do our best to live by it. But ultimately we are judged by what's in our hearts; love, kindness, hate, bitterness, etc... This might not be a good analogy, but I'd say you should consult with your Priest about religious matters for the same reason you should consult with a doctor about your physical health. Like your doctor, your Priest in an expert in his field. In addition, and maybe more importantly, God uses His Priests as His representatives on earth, in other words, since there's no direct "wholesale" connection with God Himself, we must go to our local store (the Church) to acquire the "spiritual goods and services" we need. God provides His Priests with special graces, to help us in bringing our sins to God, and also is a kind of "conduit" through which God's forgiveness flows. God set it up this way when He came to us directly in the person of Jesus Christ. That's why the Gospels tell of Christ's power to forgive sins. A Priest is referred to as an "alter Christus", literally translated as "Another Christ"; of course the Priest is not God Himself, but he is acting as Christ's representative on earth.
First of all, God didn't give priests the right or ability or authority to do shit--the church presumed that right out of arrogance. But even if God did make Priests his representatives on earth--which he did not--then that means he made them sexually abuse, molest and rape children. I can assure you--MY God did not do that. And if we are going to continue to naively ignore the very real issue of sexual abuse of children by Priests, why did the Vatican change it's rules regarding it? http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-revises-church-law-sex-abuse Vatican revises church law on sex abuse Jesuit Fr. Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, presents the Vatican's revised procedures for handling cases of sexual abuse by priests during a press conference at the Vatican July 15. (CNS photo/Paul Haring) Rome -- In the latest chapter of the Vatican's attempt to come to grips with the sexual abuse crisis, Pope Benedict XVI has approved a set of revisions to church law which are touted by the Vatican as a major contribution to "rigor and transparency," while derided by critics as "mere tweaking." For the most part, Vatican sources said, the revisions consolidate existing practice rather than marking a dramatic new approach. Unveiled on July 15, the changes include: Speeding up the process of "laicization," or formal removal from the priesthood; Allowing laity to serve as judges and lawyers on church tribunals in sex abuse cases, and waiving the requirement of a doctorate in canon law; Extending the statute of limitations for sex abuse cases from ten to twenty years, with the possibility still in force to waive it altogether on a case-by-case basis; Adding the acquisition, possession or distribution of child pornography as a "grave crime" under church law; Specifying that the same penalties for the sexual abuse of minors also apply to developmentally disabled adults; Clarifying that even "cardinals, patriarchs, legates of the Apostolic See and bishops" are subject to the jurisdiction of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican's doctrinal office, on matters related to sexual abuse. The Vatican spokesperson, Jesuit Fr. Federico Lombardi, stressed July 15 that these revisions affect only the church's internal discipline, and are not intended to supplant reporting sex abuse by priests to the police and other civil authorities – a step the Vatican endorsed in a procedural guide published last April. Unrelated to the sexual abuse crisis, the revisions also add several other offenses to the list of "grave crimes" subject to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (and thus to the expedited penalties the congregation can hand out). They include crimes against the faith, such as heresy, apostasy and schism; recording or broadcast of the sacrament of confession; and the attempted ordination of women. The last point ratifies a December 2007 decree from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which stipulated that anyone attempting to ordain a woman, as well as women who claim ordination, are subject to excommunication. That decree appeared in the wake of several events around the world in which organizers claimed to ordain women priests in defiance of church authorities. At a Vatican briefing this morning, Maltese Monsignor Charles Scicluna, an official at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, denied that the Vatican equates women's ordination with the sexual abuse of children. An illicit ordination, Scicluna said, is a “"sacramental" crime, while abuse is a "moral" crime. The church's current law in sex abuse cases was laid out in a 2001 document from Pope John Paul II, known as a motu proprio and titled Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela. Most of the revisions presented July 15 were originally approved by John Paul in 2002 and 2003 as "special faculties," or exceptions to his own motu proprio, at the urging of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI. Vatican insiders have long pointed to the special faculties as an example of Ratzinger's commitment to resolving the sexual abuse crisis. When the motu proprio was first released, it generated concern among some bishops and canon lawyers, especially in the United States, who read it to mean that virtually every charge of sexual abuse had to be handled through a canonical trial, which many regarded as cumbersome, expensive, and uncertain. The norms also required that the key personnel in those trials be priests, even though many canonists in America are laity. The statue of limitations in canon law also seemed to bar action in many cases. That criticism came to a head in early 2003, when the promoter of justice in the doctrinal congregation, Maltese Monsignor Charles Scicluna, was set to travel to the United States to brief American canonists on how the norms laid out in Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela were to be followed. Just ahead of Scicluna's departure, Ratzinger secured the special faculties from John Paul II to address the most serious concerns. In addition to permission to waive the statute of limitations, the special faculties include: Allowing one judge on a church tribunal to be a lay person, and eliminates the requirement of a doctorate in canon law; By-passing trials in grave cases, removing abuser priests on the basis of a decree; Giving the doctrinal congregation power to "sanate" the acts of lower courts, meaning to clean up procedural irregularities; Establishing that an appeal in abuse cases goes to the doctrinal congregation rather than the Signatura, the Vatican's highest court. All those faculties have now been formally written into church law. Lombardi called the revisions "a contribution to clarity and certainty … in a field in which the church is strongly committed today to proceeding with rigor and transparency." However, a spokesperson for the Survivors' Network of Those Abused by Priests, the most prominent advocacy group for sex abuse victims said the church's approach needs "massive overhaul, not mere tweaking." Vatican sources also told NCR in early July that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is preparing "guidance," as opposed to binding rules, for bishops' conferences around the world as to how to coordinate their directives on abuse cases. The lack of a coherent global policy has long been a bone of contention for critics of the church. That guidance is not expected to appear soon. [John L. Allen Jr. is NCR senior correspondent. His e-mail address is jallen@ncronline.org.] Related documents _
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/sex...ars-in-prison-after-molesting-children-again/ Dec 3, 2015 Sex offender leader of South Carolina church gets 15 years in prison after molesting children again Walls was convicted of indecent liberty with a minor in 1989. He was released from prison in 1997, and went on to become the leader of the Friendly Chapel Church in Dillon, South Carolina. He is listed in the sex offender registry of North Carolina, but he failed to register with the local sheriff’s department in South Carolina. And before notruth4u tries to claim these are old charges, the new crimes occurred May 2015
^ Not a Catholic church, Waterboy. Truth is going to be correct for once in his life when he says this guy is not a real priest.
Hey Give Truth a break. If you need to crucify someone, do it to me. I am the fucking Muslim here. Leave the guy alone you internet tough guys.
"alter Christus" came from the Catholic church, the institution, human leadership, not from the gospel and/or Jesus himself. Honestly I find that to be very arrogant and self serving. this is what Jesus had to say on the matter: Matthew 24:4-5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." This sort of touches on one of the other main things I dislike about my catholic church is that they almost want people to not read scripture and think about it themselves. It seems as though they would rather we take their word for it all things considered. This might not be true for individual parishes but I believe its a big picture truth. "alter Christus..... trust us" .... "oh, but don't look at Matthew 24." there are other examples but this is just one. (original sin concept blurs the lines strongly between what men believe and what the gospel actually says. came more from St. Augustine than from anything Jesus or the Apostles said) there is certainly value in theologians offering an interpretation of scripture for the populace to think about, it can be dangerous taking the bible word for word, and I don't even have a problem with Pope leadership, but its the directives coming from men, where they contradict or make up biblical concepts as if its their own where I have an issue.
Meh, can easily find another. Here is one where the mother took him to counseling with the priest because he was gay. You know the priest's eyes lit up for that. It was the daily double, family brings him to the priest because he is gay as if it is a disease and then the priest does unthinkable things to him. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...iladelphia-priest-sex-abuse-article-1.1706488
I would let a Muslim stay at my house, Truth babbling on about his made up friends, don't think so. I can hear him now, Dear Lord baby Jesus, lyin' there in your ghost manger, just lookin' at your Baby Einstein developmental videos, learnin' 'bout shapes and colors. I would like to thank you for bringin' me and my mama together, and also that my kids no longer sound like retarded gang-bangers.
Truth Bro. You know I got nothing against you but think. Would God ever leave his message to the hands of another human being who eats, drinks, shits and farts? Priests are lies. Religious men in uniform are all clowns. God don't need jokers to be his representatives in this world. Stop with the priests. Lots of them are pervs. Come find the real truth. Liberate your soul. Stop with this religious stuff. Religion is the legalized entity of lies and deceit to slave humans. Give it up dude.
