Bullshit...he has repeatedly mentioned they have to get better at every phase, execution, COACHING, everything. You soured on Mangini and now you see what you want to see. It happens.
I fault the FO/CS for: 1) Forcing a 3-4 on obvious 4-3 players and not wavering from this until we can get the right players. 2) Not recognizing that drafting Ferguson and Mangold was not the complete answer to the O-line. 3) The Pete Kendall fiasco. Clarke is a poor replacement and they should have looked at him and/or other options more closely before letting Kendall walk for a lousy $1 million pocket change. 4) Waiting so long to pull the trigger on Chad Pennington, which forced Schottenheimer to resort to dinks-n-dunks and gadgets for the entire first half of the season. 5) Not aggressively pursuing Free Agency this past offseason. 6) Not trusting Thomas Jones more and giving him the 20+ carries he needs to build a head of steam. I commend the FO/CS for: 1) Having the balls to move up and draft Reavis and Harris, two excellent, excellent moves. 2) Keeping the team together despite the abysmal record. 3) Finally inserting Clemens and letting him develop and make his mistakes in the second half of this season, which at least now provides hope for '08. 4) Finally becoming more aggressive defensively and giving guys like Rhodes enough leash to unvail and display their talents. 5) Instilling excellent discipline in the team as far as avoiding penalties. 6) Clock management and "field awareness" on game day that far exceeds anything we had under Edwards. 7) Sticking to a team-building program that emphasizes character and integrity, both on and off the field. Emphasizing a consistent approach no matter how bad the W-L record has become. The big factor this offseason is going to be whether or not this young FO/CS can learn from their mistakes, use them to their advantage, make the necessary adjustments/replacements and move on to a winning season next year. THAT'S going to determine if they're good or not. You can't judge this FO/CS on just this one season... it isn't fair, particularly since the entire Chad Pennington thing was such a huge integral part of the spark (or lack thereof). Next year at this time, we'll see where we are. By then, I'll either be highly praising them or calling for their heads.
Our team is young and learning and is so is our coach. I do believe in him though. I wish he was a little more carismatic but whatever.
Excellent post. I think some people are merely harping on the mistakes the coaching staff has made and just outright dismissing any positive things they have done these last two years. Yes, we're 3-9, and I know some people have no patience, but all CS and FO make mistakes (except the ones in NE run by Satan). Perhaps the people complaining about Mangini's inexperience and mistakes would prefer it if we had gotten Cameron from the Chargers instead? After all, he's had more experience :rofl2:
The Jets were driving for the go ahead score against the Giants down 28 24 when Pennington threw a pick 6 to end the Jets chances. Against Buffalo Pennington was awful, his interception lead to Buffalo extending the lead from 3 to 10 and his late 4th quarter interception sealed the game. Trent Edwards puts up 7 to 10 points against the Jets D that day without Pennington setting up the short fields. In game two against Buffalo the Jets O put up 3 points at home in a 13 to 3 loss where the D played very well. Against Cincinatti the D was awful and Chad sealed the loss with a pick 6 against one of the worst defensive teams in the NFL.
I'm all for upgrading the coaching staff and the HC. It seems to me there are a few potential candidates. Marty Shotenheimer great regular season coach if going to a SB is part of the agenda I wouldn't touch him. Bill Parcells, nice short term answer but will blow it up before he accomplishes anything. Bil Cowher or Jimmy Johnson might be an answer, I'm all for it. Short of that list the next group is going to be fired coaches or guys like Mike Tice. No thanks I prefer we let Mangini continue to operate the team. The drafts have been good and the cap has been managed to the point where we can make some moves.
The Jets were also completely outcoached in the second half by the Gnats and the Bills. They blew a second half lead vs the Bengals, too. Poor second half coaching all season long.
Clearly inheriting a QB with two shoulder surgeries and no ability to stretch the field and throwing game changing INT's were part of the coaching philosophy in all those games. I'm sure letting the starting TE and RT walk without an offer, ending the HOF running backs career, Annionting Adrian Young as our LT of the future, letting the starting DT and the single game changing player on D get to his walk year without a contract had nothing to do with our record or the personal decissions.
Thats the truth. The Jets are a great first half team. If it didn't take them until the bye week to make adjustments, we'd be playoff bound right now.
Agreed. The Jets were clearly outcoached by the Gnats and Bills, and had deficient gameplans against the Ravens, Iggles and Skins. I really have to wonder about people who watch these games and dont see how awful the coaching has been.
Interesting I thought the Giants played like absolute crap in the first half and played well in the second half. I didn't think their playing like crap was a coaching decission but you could be right, I'm sure Pennington's opting for the those game changing INT's were coaching decissions as well.
The game plans are great from the start, but it seems that they just can deviate from it and don't have any answers when opposing teams switch it up. Take a look at Clemens QB rating through 4 quarters of a game. It starts out at 76 and goes down every quarter, bottoming out in the 4th. When you watch games every week and wonder not if but how the Jets will manage to blow the game in the second half, there are more issues then talent alone.
The Jets defense has not played better since the break. They drew a Steelers offense that is sputtering badly right now, scoring consecutively 16 pts against the Jets then 3 against the Dolphins at home and only 24 against a miserable Concinnati defense. Then they got kicked in the teeth by Dallas to the tune of 27 points. Then they got to play a Dolphin team that literally has no offense at the moment and "held" them to 6 points. This is just like last year after the bye when the quality of the opposing offenses suddenly made the Jets defense look better. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
This is a good post. Everyone wants the best HC, even us lowly Jets fans, but take a look around the NFL by comparison and you're looking at has-beens and complete duffus'! Cam Cameron? Joe Gibbs? Herm Edwards? I know they're not perfect but I'm willing to give Tangini another year before I totally call them out and scream for their dismissal.
They just arent good at thinking and making adjustments on the fly. It is blatantly obvious how other teams come out in the second half with better adjustments than the jets make. Some fans look at an int at the end of the game to decide why a game was lost, but it is what happened in the preceding 29 minutes of the second half that forms a better basis to judge how the team was coached, and why the result was as it was.
But why were we in the position to need a game winning drive in the first place? This team doesn't finish games. They played 30 minutes of good football against every team this year bar the Cowboys and Steelers. How many times did we watch it happen this season?
