They do apply to just about any young pitcher. The difference is that - on the Yankees - you're seeing the results of it with the major league club. Most teams have their prospects build up their workload in the minors. Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy were all so impressive, however... and the need on the Yanks was so great, that we're seeing the workload increase with the Bronx team instead of Scranton.
Yes it does. Chamberlain's limit is stricter than Hughes and Kennedy. Hughes has thrown 146 IP in a season, he'll be able to approach 180 and start most the season without a strict cap. Kennedy's thrown 166 IP in a season, he'll be able to come close to 200 IP. Joba's highest is 116 IP, so he won't be able to throw much more than 150 IP. That's why he has to start in the bullpen and has a stricter limit.
If it makes so much sense to build up his pitch count, how come they flirted with the idea of him starting this season?
The plan is for him to start this season. But he has to start in the bullpen, he can't handle the innings that come with starting for an entire season. You generally don't want your young pitchers to throw 30 innings more than their previous seasonal high.
All good points. Hopefully this move gets made sooner rather than later. I really am rooting for Kennedy, but it seems as though this situation might be influenced greatly by either his success or God forbid an injury to one of the other starters.
My Lord is right. Joba will pitch every 5th day as a starter, not every day. They lost 11, not 21 in half a season and if you don't think they were vaunted then you know absolutely nothing about the game.
Good first inning for Mussina, 3 up three down in only eight pitches. We need the bats to come alive today, and it starts with the top of the order.
Jesus H. Christ, dude. The point was that even the very best bullpen you can pull out of your memory lost 11 games. So if that's the benchmark for the ideal... you're talking about a ten game difference between that and last year's bullpen, whose record wasn't helped by the craptastic starting pitching situation the Yanks had to deal with for the first two months of the season. This shouldn't be hard for you to wrap your melon around. 200 innings > 70 innings. Any way you slice it. If Joba's in the pen (for good), you're wasting 130 innings from him. Innings that need to be replaced by the 2008 Mussina's of the world and/or the Igawas of the world. And you are completely ignoring the impact that the rotation had on that 1998 pen. Chew on this for a bit... The Yankee relievers in 1998, by appearance (innings in parentheses): Stanton - 67 (79) Rivera - 54 (61) Lloyd - 50 (37) In 2007: Vizcaino - 77 (75) Rivera - 67 (71) Farnsworth - 64 (60) Bruney - 58 (50) Myers - 55 (40) Proctor - 52 (54) <--- half a season Now... you tell me why that bullpen might not have been as effective as the 98 pen. Go on. Think reeeeeeal hard about it.
Cappy and 10P10 capture my thoughts pretty much perfectly. The one thing I may disagree on is Melancon. I don't know if he'll make the jump to the majors this season, and if Mo were to actually retire, I think they would get a stop gap. Too heavy shoes to fill for Melancon, who would be I believe two years removed from Tommy John surgery next year.
That's a fair point... but he is on the short list of potential replacements. If he's not ready, Sanchez might be. If Sanchez isn't ready, Marquez might be. Or Cox. Or Britton. Or Bruney. Etc. If it's not Melancon, they have enough people that it's likely that they can find someone else - if not lights-out - serviceable.
are they seriously talking about martini glasses still....dahhhh Moose looks solid tonite...thats encouraging
I let the first post go because it was clear you totally misinterpreted the stats I posted, but to then totally change them to make your point is just unacceptable and bears response. Don, the bolded part is the most significant thing Cappy is telling you here, and is exactly the point I was making. And here is where you totally changed the stat. I never said the pen lost 21 in half a season. They lost 21 all last year. The rotation lost 47 games, all last year. You're so far off base on this one Don, you'd get picked off by the catcher. --------------------- So Cappy, I didn't see the whole game tonight, but what I did see of Moose, he pitched quite well. That was the Moose that can win 8+ by the July break. Interesting that the lineup starts generating runs on the same night. Plus Giambi was out, Posada shelved, and Jeter went out. I'm not by any means saying that we're better without those guys in the lineup because we're not. I just wonder if the little bit of shakeup in the lineup sort of broke up the monotony.
Interesting that he has the same issue as Giambi. I remember when I was a kid, one year we had a coach who was a lot like Girardi with the run, run, run mentality. I pulled my groin that year and played the whole season in discomfort. You tend to concentrate on building up your thighs and calves, and you forget you have to keep that groin loose. I hope the other guys are taking notes. Hydrate and stretch.
