If your daughter were in a long term relationship with someone, was engaged to be married, and she walked in on her fiancé and he was nailing her best friend, you think there might not be a little altercation? If she was drinking a little bit? If he was drinking a little bit. If they were, perhaps, in a casino in AC? If her fiancé was a world class athlete in the most violent of sports and was used to getting anything and everything he wanted with impunity? If she was so disgusted she spat on him? He'd be right/justified in knocking her the fuck out, right? You'd defend his honor, yes? _
No one can ever imagine their daughter in that situation. Until it happens and then we might see a different reaction from a father here. Arguing ideals in a bad world is just stupid. Talk about the actual incident and not some theoretical scenario where gravity, friction, depreciation, taxes and transaction costs are not taken into account. _
You're putting a lot of hypotheticals in there, and again you're operating under the assumption that shes some defenseless creature. She is not, and shes smart. She wouldn't engage in a fight she couldn't win. Besides most people dont normally fight in that incident they especially guilty men. They normally try to talk their way out of it. Stop talking like women are such helpless feeble humans. That definitely is not the case. Were not talking about a women minding her own business and getting grabbed and sexually assaulted here. Were talking conscious decisions that lead to bad situations on a womans part.
They aren't hypotheticals, I'm talking about the actual Ray Rice situation. What would your daughter have done if she were in that woman's position? The same thing and you'd have to defend Rice or you'd be a hypocrite. [I have no idea if he was banging her best friend but I think it's safe to say it was pretty bad, not an argument over tastes great-less filling] _
No I got that after I reread it. My stance is not go around hitting women. While I do feel the way I do, im no way shape or form advocating hitting anyone regardless of gender. In fact I believe the wife actually stepped up and accepted her role, as did ray. So I dont understand honestly why any of us are arguing. I feel we need to reexamine gebder relationships. Now I understand how you were raised stokes. If I recall you are a good amout older than me. So at the time you didnt have women doing the crazy shit they do now. So do not think that I feel youre somehow stupid because of how you were raised. Things are different now. Im sure it was unheard of for a father to be single and raising kids years ago. Well its common place now. I feel as tho we need to reexamine what we tell people. Not just say oh bad thats it. Lets look at the whole picture and learn how to prevent the escalating factors Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
What are you even talking about? Lol maybe you should look up what a samsung n900a is before talking. And btw I paid for this phone outright brand new. I def didnt need a deposit. Let me know when you know that phone it is. Oh and btw im getting the new one.....outright when it comes out. I can because I got it like that. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
We are arguing because whilst expressing a tad of bit of outrage at the paltry penalty Rice got for punching and knocking out a 110 pound woman--his fiancé-- some naive child from the mean streets of Irvington swooped in and said 'what's the big deal, the bitch got what she deserved' then regaled us on how getting spit on in Irvington is a justifiable reason kill them. So basically the bitch got off light. Then you, for some godforsaken reason AGREED with him. As a father of girls I find that your agreement with that sentiment --regardless of any other factors- is completely reprehensible and incomprehensible. If your daughter were Ray Rice's fiancé in that situation --full stop-- you would CONDONE his punching of her and you'd have to defend him. Otherwise everything you've said here is hypocritical. _
If she deserved it absolutely. Id tell her well you were the dumb ass that spit in his face. Hot stove argument. Who's fault is that, the stove or the idiot who touched it? Like I said they both could have handled it differently but ive no sympathy for her. That's where we differ, but we can say that without name calling. I think we both can agree there. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
I dont coddled people. That makes them so weak. Im not going to say the sentiment thing that sounds good. If she was dumb enough to provoke him thats on her. Im not stepping in to scapegoat for her. Sorry if you dont like my harsh reality, but thats life. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
Honestly its stupid for you to get too involved in it because just like rice did, they always end up back together. So then everyone is just all pissed off all the time at each other. My parents taught me whatever I do in a relationship, dont drag them into it then expect them to be ok with everything after they get dragged into it. I believe in that. So her relationship problems will be her own. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
Yeah I'm not buying it. You're visiting your daughter in the emergency room and your calling HER the dumbass. I guess we really were raised differently. _
It not about who would hit a woman if they spit on you, but does à woman have the right to spit on you and just because it a male she spit on that he shouldn't react to it.
How would I be the dumbass, im not the one there and again youre assuming my daughter would be knocked out. Youre assuming all women are week so theres some flawed logic because thats hardly true. Let me tell you a story. I worked in that very casino where this happened. It was one of my girst nursing jobs out of college. It was 4 black women and for white men. One of the guys turned around and called the girls a group of niggers. These werent big beefy girls either. They were about average. Anyway next thing I know 3 of the girls attack the guys and I dont mean they got a couple of good shots in, I mean they beat the shit out of those guys, and they fought back. I know this because I had to stitch everyone back the hell up after the mess. Now my point is....who was wrong? Was it ok for the guys to call these girls a group of niggers? Was it ok for these girls to attack the guys? Was it wrong for the guys to fight back? Im curious to your thoughts on this. As for my beliefs, I dont believe in coddling my kids. Life isnt easy and im not going to give them the idea that it is easy. I dont care who agrees or disagrees with me but I see the results and it speaks for itself. Hit someone man or woman expect to be hit back unless you knock them out. Act disrespectfully and expect retaliation. Spitting in our society is an act of disrespect. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
I wasn't calling YOU the dumbass, you were the one who said you'd call YOUR daughter the dumbass for spitting on Ray. And again, we're talking about Rays fiancé--she was knocked out. So if Ray Rice punched your daughter with an uppercut to the jaw she wouldn't be knocked out but you'd still call HER a dumbass for spitting in his face. Holy crap. _
Again she spit and made physical contact first. You keep conveniently leaving that part out. Yes she would be because if hes that much a better fighter than you why would you provoke him physically? Were not talking name calling here. She didn't say ray youre a poopy face. Its not like he hauled off and punched her unprovoked. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk
Right. A woman spitting on a man means--by your moral code--that it is perfectly justifiable, permissible, acceptable and quite expected that the man should haul off and slug her. We've already established that you think that's perfectly fine. And why I've said we were raised differently. How you developed your moral compass to think that is acceptable. Which makes me happy. _
