I agree. You shouldn't be changing HCs like you change your underwear. They need time to develop. And yes, even time to make some mistakes too. But I think with Mangini, the one thing that might have become "old," for lack of a better word, was his demeanor. I think he tried so hard to be Belichick-like in all aspects, including trying to duplicate the ice man, no-personality lack of public exhuberance that is Belichick's trademark. But even Belichick shows some public emotion after important wins and who knows what goes on in the locker room? The bottom line with him is, he gets people motivated. But Mangini seemed to fail at getting people motivated for a number of reasons. I just think his personality is such that he's more comfortable repetetively mumbling about "consissency" and "the three phases" than he is with being a people person and reaching his players. Belichick manages to do that somehow, although it's hard to tell exactly how, quite frankly. In the end, I think the Jets realized they are not going to change Mangini's basic personality. It is what it is. And for some reason, it wasn't working in the locker room. His game-day decisions weren't working on the field either, which compounded the problem of motivation. Many of his final decisions sucked the wind out of both sides of the ball and, of course, the 9 INTs in the last 5 games were the Coup de Gras.
He might not have Ngata, but he has Jenkins. Jenkins is still a beast. I think he slipped at the end of the year do to fatigue. A solid backup would solve that problem. In the 3-4 it all starts with the NT. But I agree there are holes that need to be filled.
I saw an interview recently with Jenkins in which he alluded to something about his back "being a problem" down the stretch also. He wasn't making excuses, mind you, but he did mention it. He definitely wasn't the same in the last 5 games, but maybe, as you say, someone solid to spell him would keep him fresh. You are right, "it all starts with the NT."
Precisely. There were rumblings of a hip injury following the Tennessee game. Whether injury or fatigue, I just don't think a guy his size can be a 3 down full time NT. I also happen to think his problems down the stretch directly contributed to our defensive woes. As Jinx goes, so does our D. It would be nice to pick up a guy that can fill in here and there without a significant dropoff. I wonder if Mosley or Pouha could have been that guy and EM just kept pounding on KJ out of stubbornness? Either way, the type of guy that could work is a big fat slob that would never be able to handle starting duties, but could plug up the middle a few times a game. That way, he would come cheap.
Coughlin also was a head coach before he went to the Giants, where he did a more than respectable job with the Jaguars. He also had a solid reputation as coordinator and in the college level. Also he had an 11-5 record in 2005, how is that a complete failure? You could look at Coughlin's past and know he had a shot of bouncing back. Could you do the same with Mangini? Something was definitely different his last 2 years here, and he didn't have enough of a history that someone can say "Oh he will bounce back." I know I didn't watch the last 5 games of the 2008 season and feel confidant that Mangini was going to turn things around. But I do think that the change will help him and I hope he does well.
Big fat slobs are the way to go. Four years ago I was pounding the table for more big fat slobs. We finally got some, but I want Tanny to go out and find even more big fat slobs, and the bigger and fatter the slobs, the better. I want teams like the Redskins to look at our lines and go, "Holy shit. Those guys are big fat slobs!"
Shefter just reported on the nfl network that The Rams are bringing back the oc from Dallas for a second interview and that they want to have a decision made by Saturday on a new HC. this would take Ryan out of play and basically eliminate our only competition to land him
His coaching career was also on the decline as after blowing a home game in the '99 title game he led Jax to 7, 6 & 6 wins before going to the Giants and not winning a playoff game in his first 3 years. Coughlin had 25 wins after 3 years w/ the Giants, Mangini 23. At the point 2 years ago where his 8-8 giants lost another WC game it didn't look like anyone was confident coughling could turn it around especially w/ predicitons of last place and starting 0-2 in 2007. Things change, players change, coaches change. We threw Mangini out too soon and we'll do the same w/ the next coach b/c this owner listens to the fans when he shouldn't. I wish he'd listen to us complain about ticket prices, PSLs, parking, etc... but instead he listens to us about on field issues which is why we suck.
The Browns' fans and management will give Mangini a longer leash than he had here in NY. I have no doubt he will take what he learned here and apply it (both the good and bad) and will probably be successful at some point. And he'll be more relaxed there, which will aid in his development, knowing the tolerance for pain out there is higher than it is in NY. I wish him well too. I just don't want them to become a team that stands in our way though.
I hope you're wrong about this but there's something deep down inside that makes me agree with you and it scares me. The initial firing alone didn't bother me because I thought it was done with something else in mind (or some other strong option in the wings... like a Cowher, for example). Now we seem to be meandering around setting up a multitude of interviews with who-the-hell-knows. My only hope is that there is something we didn't know about Mangini.... something that was an overwhelming factor in his dismissal.... something concrete. The total and unforgivable collapse of such a promising season is reason enough perhaps, but I wish I could pinpoint something far more convincing. At any rate, it is done. And now, we need to look into our crystal balls and see how long Ryan will be here. Three years? Four? He's got to be asking himself the same question too, right? But hey, winning fixes everything. If we go 12-4 next year and get home field advantage, ask me then how I feel about Rex Ryan. The guy will be walking on water.
Are you sure about that? Palmer lasted for 32 games. Davis lasted for 60 games. Crennel's been the first new Browns head coach to last four full years. The new Browns franchise goes through head coaches as fast as the Jets do. The difference is the Jets had several coaches who resigned as opposed to being fired. Those Browns coaches noted above were all fired, I do believe.
There is only one Ed Reed, and one Polamalu, but Rhodes does have some of that sort of game breaking big play potential, and I think this is what he meant. We saw evidence of that in 2006. Sure, keeping Rhodes back and playing center field made it very hard for opposing teams to get the big play TD in the passing game, but that was playing passive defense. Mangini attacked on offense and defense in 2006. Then, for reasons I will never understand, he started the old play not to lose method. Rhodes is the best athlete we have on D. Making him an insurance policy against the big play is to take your best playmaker on defense and put him in a position where he can't make game turning big plays. I can easilly see Ryan using Rhodes in the "Ed Reed role" in the Jets defense. That doesn't mean he's Ed Reed II. It is about putting your best players in a position to make plays.
Rhodes wasn't close to Reed this year but the last few years he had been better and whatever coach comes in will have alot of talent to work w/ especially on the defensive side of the ball.
