This whole draft hinges on Hackenberg...... He does well it's a B+/A-...... He doesn't it's a C/C-........
If Hackenberg does well and becomes the Jets long-term QB the draft is an A+ if everybody else chumps out by the end of training camp next year. If he becomes a franchise QB it's off the charts and unrateable.
5, 6 and 7 should be great special teams guys most of the time unless you're taking a QB in the 6th. 1 to 4 can get you your starters. 5 to 7 should be for having a great all-around team with great special teams. If you do that you probably get a starter out of the 5th to 7th rounds every other year. By great special teams guys I mean people you project solely to special teams. Now and then you'll get a star out of that anyway. Terrell Davis was drafted not to return kicks but to be a gunner on the coverage units. By the time he got into camp he looked like a star in the making and the rest is history.
This draft can't be rated in a vacuum. The Hackenberg pick was an investment. Not only does his outcome determine the draft grade, but also how seriously the Jets invest in him, support him, and protect him. When the Jets traded up for Sanchez they had made a nice start of things, even got him a couple of weapons, gave us a delicious flash in the pan, and then completely let him, and subsequently the team down. The new FO can't make the same mistakes.
2009 Sanchez had an excellent OL with D'Brick, Faneca, Mangold, Moore and Woody. He had a security blanket HB in Thomas Jones, who could basically do everything that you needed a halfback to do for you. He had a veteran FB who was an excellent pocket protector in Tony Richardson, He had a good 3rd down back in Leon Washington. He had two good receivers in Jerrico Cotchery and Dustin Keller, who was a possession WR as much as a TE. He had other talent available right away in fellow rookie Shonn Greene and Brad Smith who could come in and change the pace in the wildcat when the defense was getting to close to Sanchez. The only thing that was missing was a big receiver that was hard to handle one on one and the Jets went out and traded for Braylon Edwards to fill that hole game 5 when Jerrico Cotchery got hurt for one of the few times in his Jets career and was missing some playing time. Then you had a top 5 defense that was top 3 before Kris Jenkins got hurt. It was like a golden landing. The Jets even had a head coach who was holding Sanchez hand through the rookie struggles, of which there were many, instead of blistering his balls in the Parcells/Coughlin mode. Then it all went away except for the loving coach. Hopefully the Jets get the Hackenberg era right and support him well and evenly throughout his first contract. That's what will give the highest chance for success in my opinion.
That's the key...and from everything I read (went back and dug out stuff before he went to college) he is about as coachable as a kid can get. I'd be willing to bet he could make some noise in year 1 if needs be.
As a few people pointed out it seems like they got players they've targeted. In the end this draft will be measured on Hackenberg. I was a bit surprised they picked a punter in round 7 when a guy like Scooby Wright was there. I don't follow college that much but this guy was dominant until his knee injury at the beginning of the year. Why not take a flyer on a kid that proved himself when healthy. It's that was the 7th round is for?
A punter in hand is worth two Wright's in the bush. Our Punter fukn killed us last year. He prolly lost us the playoffs. Our punting situation is untenable.
And I am saying that much past the first 2-3 picks of the first round the odds are not realistically much different. It drops in certainty and increases in risk exponentially. With the exception of a Teddy Bridgewater, as of late the rest of the first rounders past the top spots have been by no means close to what you consider a franchise QB. Bottles, EJ Manual, M Sanchez, RGIII, Tannihil, Weeden, Locker, Galbreth, Ponder, and to some even Flaco and Ryan are questionable. After the first couple of tickets for the like of Manning, Luck, Newton and may be Winston, the rest is a crap shoot that drops like a rock. But we might never get to the first 2 spots or early first round, so we must keep searching where we see the value and have the chance to select someone. So 10-1, 20-1 or 30-1 is interesting but it won't change your selection process, since you don't have the luxury of always picking or trading for the first 2 spots.
I keep reading this 'reach' tag by a some people and I have to wonder where they're getting it from? What media guide rag? There's positive grades all over about the players picked. That doesn't matter to them. They just wanna hold on to the negative The only guy that you might make a case for is Burris. But take a closer look at him and TB's vision of him and it's easy to like him. Our people are investing in young men that they've analyzed, interviewed, and investigated far beyond some clips on youtube, or what some hack wrote some where. Almost every pick we made was followed by a large reaction or eruption of negativy and bashing on here, without even taking the time to look into the FO and TB's viewpoint. It's like an inferiority complex or self loathing. Relating this draft to any other regime's is bs too. I think Lee is gonna be great. And I think Hack in time is gonna dust the rest of the guys in our stable now. I like him more than Lynch too, especially from the spot we took him from.
Please don't say that too loud as the supporters of Nell thought he was perfectly fine at Alabama. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nell talking jodie foster&view=detail&mid=686DCDC65234CECC7E49686DCDC65234CECC7E49&FORM=VIRE https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dee milliner interview when drafted&view=detail&mid=7911298AA9136F6E3D1B7911298AA9136F6E3D1B&FORM=VIRE Coincidence? I think not. He tried to tell them he was hurt , but they couldn't understand him.
and you gave up a fourth round pick for a fifth round pick. its not smart business, the likelihood of hitting on one of 2 fourth round picks next year is far better than the likelihood of hitting on your one fourth next year and a fifth this year. 4 + 4 vs. 4 + 5
PFF Grade New York Jets, C- 1 (20) Darron Lee, ILB, Ohio State 2 (51) Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State 3 (83) Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia 4 (118) Juston Burris, CB, NC State 5 (158) (from Washington) Brandon Shell, OT, South Carolina 7 (235) (from Los Angeles via Houston and Denver) Lachlan Edwards, P, Sam Houston State 7 (241) Charone Peake, WR, Clemson Day 1: We don’t hate Lee as a player, but we saw him as more of a second- or third-round player than a first-round option. His athleticism stands out, but it hasn’t translated into the strong coverage ability in college everyone has projected for him in the NFL. He posted a negative grade in coverage in 2014, and an average mark in 2015. However, he’s shown to be an excellent blitzer and that should be a weapon in head coach Todd Bowles’ scheme, which blitzed 43.3 percent of the time last season, third in the NFL. Day 2: It’s no secret that we haven’t been impressed with Hackenberg’s on-field performance, and while many in the NFL believe in him to be a potential reclamation project, he never put together a stretch of strong play during his three years in college. He graded at -24.7 as a freshman, -41.0 as a sophomore and -12.1 as a junior, all among the worst QB grades in the nation. Hackenberg’s accuracy has also been among the nation’s worst, to all levels of the field, and he will have to make major strides to live up to his second-round value. As for Jenkins, he’s a solid run-stopping outside linebacker (+14.9 run grade, ninth in the class in 2015), and he’s had two strong years of production to provide an indication the he’ll be a solid player in the Jets’ scheme on the edge. Day 3: Burris has good size and he was productive for NC State, surrendering only 0.71 yards per cover snap, good for ninth in the draft class. Shell only allowed seven pressures all year, but he struggled with the best of the SEC competition.
