Explain how an entirely different GM and CS from the failures around Sanchez and Darnold apply to this situation. Is it the "curse" of Joe Namath? The oppressive ignorance of the owners? Or the bad air of the Meadowlands swamp?
Yes, I do. The deck was stacked against him this past season. I've watched enough of his play and read enough about him, that I'm a believer in him. That belief is unshakeable. He had a rough season, but there were a lot of factors that brought that about, some on his part, but mostly ourside factors.
It's a young QB, woefully unprepared in college for the NFL, overachieved for a season in college and then got thrown onto the field immediately by a desperate Jets franchise wanting to market him as a breath of fresh air. All of this against a background of no true franchise QB in at least 30 years. GM and CS have nothing to do with it. The failure is systemic, clearly recognizable at this point and requires nothing short of a miraculous turn to avoid another wipe out. I'm 61 and I don't believe in miracles until they present themselves on the field in front of me. What's your excuse?
I have high hopes for Wilson as well. There are some reasons to be optimistic. That said, fan optimism does not a franchise quarterback make. There were plenty of Darnold believers here well and we all saw how that worked out.
Not sure where my love of Darnold comes from in your mind. Maybe ur confusing with my not being 100% sure about Zack with being madly in love with Sammy?
Did you or did you not want the Jets to keep Darnold and not draft a QB last year? I distinctly remember you wanting Sam and you making a case to keep him. That's where it comes from.
To me it's the elephant in the room no one wants to touch. We have the worse QB in the league and ppl are like "we need to draft a TE!!!". Um. OK. I get it, 'hopefully' Zack rebounds in yr 2 and make us all proud, but 'hope' is not a strategy. I have no idea what a plan B would look like to give JD an out in 2 yrs if Zack tanks. Maybe it's too early to even think about a plan B. If only ZW had played just a bit better in his rookie season.
I did not care if we kept Sam or not. I wondered aloud if the 3 first round picks San Fan was offering was something we should consider vs ZW. There were 5 decent QBs in the draft, and we coulda had say Justin Fields plus all those picks from SanFran. It was a conversaion.
While everyone wants Zach to succeed here blind faith is not logical, we have to have a plan B thats not White or Flacco but please make it a free agent.
I really don't want to waste the time to go back and research your old threads. You were 100% in the keep Darnold camp.
Sam Darnold was the worst QB in the league in 2020 and you had no issue with keeping him and trading back. How the fuck do you explain that?! And Sam was a 3rd year starter! The notion of keeping Sam shouldn't have even crossed your mind if this is your stance. But it did. Go figure.
This is the sensible take. I wanted to believe in Darnold and held out hope until it was obvious he wasn't the guy in year 3. Even though he wasn't the QB I wanted, I will root for Zach to be the answer. But, he needs to not just improve in 2022, he has to have a significant jump in year 2. This did not happen with Darnold in year 2019.
If you think a Miracle has more to do with building a good team than a quality GM and CS, that says all I need to know about you.
You misunderstood me. What I said was the GM and CS are irrelevant because the prospect is highly flawed and the Jets totally suck as an organization and both of those factors have been proven over and over again in recent years.
Some would say the GM and the CS are the most important people in an organization. It’s Interesting to see how you “think”.
Nobody is more important than the owners. Bad owners never win anything. Good owners win all the time.
If you have a good owner you have a good chance that they have the right people in place. If you have a bad owner you are in rinse and repeat mode every few years unless they fall head over heels in love with a bad GM (the Fords and Matt Millen for example) in which case the rotten cycle extends longer. Leon Hess had his Coming to Jesus moment when he was told he was terminally ill and had a couple of years at best to live. He immediately put aside the notion that he had any clue that he knew what he was doing as an NFL owner. The evidence suggested that he did not and knowing when you are going to pass does a wonderful job of clearing your mind on the important things. He went out and begged the best football guy (who was not actually available at the moment) he knew of to come and win a Super Bowl for him. The guy almost did that in the time allotted. The Detroit Lion's ownership has been clueless for decades now. They are the primary reason the Lions are in the legion of all-time suck. They keep making changes but they don't know what they are doing and contrary to popular belief the NFL does not help out bad owners with this type of problem, they just let it roll on and on and on. The current Jets ownership inherited a good roster and a team and they put people in place who would patch that roster and team for as long as possible and keep it somewhat competitive. However they kept having pitfall seasons where they would suddenly go back to being a 4-12 last place team. A couple of good seasons, an average season, a bad season - that kind of pattern. Then eventually they got to the point where they weren't working off of the Parcells talent base any more. They were working off of the talent base that their guys had put together. The foundation of the team was a bit weaker and suddenly the patching became less effective because there just wasn't enough young talent on the team to maintain the roster and team over any significant period. The Jets aggressively patched for a couple of more seasons, squeezing the last juice out of the orange in the process. All the patching had weakened things enough that a collapse was inevitable. That's what we've been living with since about the midpoint of the 2011 season. The situation we're in right now is very similar to the situation the Jets were in along about 1996. The only difference is the owners haven't had that moment yet when they suddenly realize they're not going to get it done and they really need somebody to come in and run the show for them. Somebody who has won Super Bowls in the past and knows what needs to get done before the Jets have a chance to get to that level.
