The D allowed 14 pts, they didn't have a great half but it was manageable until the awful INT for TD. Both units played great in the 2nd half and peyton played like he should. he was great and that is the player we should see more often than not in bog spots but it was a one time deal.
all great QBs are held to that standard, all great QBs didn't have the luxury of having top 3 weapons every year and solid Ds either. Brady has been more Peyton like lately but imagine Peyton making a title game w/ the '06 Pats or '13 Pats? would never happen.
No they're not stop it. Brady can retire without ever winning another Super Bowl and no one will criticize him for losing to Denver in '05, or '13, losing the SB twice to the Giants, losing to the Ravens in '09 and '12 or the Jets in '10. His legacy doesn't take a hit. Brees won one SB and has had a few playoff losses and no one is ever criticizing him. Aaron Rodgers won a SB and has been knocked out the playoffs and his legacy is fine. But it seems as if Peyton is different. One more thing Brady always had better defenses in those early years.
Brady has 3 SBs and 5 apps, he hasn't made a career of underachieving in postseason. Brees lost playoff games putting up points. Rodgers has lost putting up points these guys don't consistently choke in postseason even when their teams lose. Peyton's Ds have allowed less PPG in playoff games than Brady's. Brady's Ds have been overrated, Manning's underrated.
This post proves my point. Brady, Brees and Rodgers playoff losses doesn't mean anything. But Manning losing means that he's a "choker"
His point is that the Colts D was obviously like the 2000 Ravens every year, while the other teams had Lionsesque D's each year. Come on 85er get with it. But seriously though, you brought up my points I wanted to bring up while reading thru this, and then some more on top of that. So thanks. Why is a Jets fan defending Brady like they're married anyway?
Brady has 5 SB apps and 3 wins, the 2 losses he had late leads which his D blew. Peyton has 3 SB wins, he "won" an undeserved MVP award for that game which he didn't do much and the other 2 SB apps he blew the Saints SB w/ an INT for aTD then didn't show up against Seattle. Peyton's playoff losses: 1999 Ten: didn't do much, I will give him a pass b/c it was his 1st. 2000 Mia: facing all time choking D, leads ) to 3 pts 2nd half and OT.(that Mia D had allowed an average of 28 PPG in playoff games in their other 7 PO games in that era. peyton led his O to 17 in 5 qtrs. 2002 NYJ: The D was awful but you can win a game allowing 41 pts, you can't win a game scoring ZERO. 2003 NE: 4 INts in 24-14 loss 2004 NE: leads Indy to 3 pts, this was after they changed rules after Bill Polian whined following the '03 title game loss at NE. 2005 Pitt: complete choke w/ #1 seed and 1st rd bye. was handed multiple opportunities to win or get it to OT and failed. even had obvious INT overturned in 4th that would have ended it. 2007 SD: throws 2 RZ INts in 4 pt loss. 2008 SD: against 8-8 Chargers leads high powered ) to 7 pts in final 3 qtrs. couldn't get a 1st down to end game late in 4th, took sack at 1 setting up SD in great FP to tie it. 2009 SB vs. NO: trailing by 7 late in 4th on long drive, throws INT for TD to end it. Led high powered ) to 7 pts in final 3 qtrs 2010 NYJ: w/ 1 1st down late would have sealed game and not allowed Jets to have chance. Instead fails on 3rd down, sets up 50+ yd FG. mark Sanchez has less than a minute on the road and sets up chip shot FG(something Peyton couldn't do at home in 2005) 2012 Bal: another 1 and done(the 8th of his career)**** . 3 Peyton TOs lead to 17 pts in a 3 pt loss in double OT. His STs scored FOURTEEN pts and he still couldn't win at home. set up GW FG for Bal in Ot w/ horrendous INT. ****for comparison Brady has 2, Rodgers 3, Brees has 2. Combined they have less than Peyton. THIS is why Peyton gets more negative coverage.
I don't allow my hatred of a team or player to cloud my judgment. I judge fairly, I dislike Brady as an opposing fan but I admire him as a fan of the sport. In regulation Brady's Ds postseason pts allowed: 573 in 26 games, 22 PPG Manning's D's postseason pts allowed: 436 in 23 games, 19 PPG In SB years; Brady: 16.7 Manning: 15.5 Ranked in order of lowest PPG allowed by D's in SB runs: 1. 2006 Colts 12.8 2. 2009 Colts 14.7 3. 2001 Pats 15.7 4. 2007 Pats 16.3 5. 2004 Pats 17 6. 2003 Pats 19 7. 2011 Pats 19.7 8. 2013 Broncos 20
Keep in mind in using your logic. But "Brady's D's blew leads"? But he had Moss and Welker and a high powered offense in '07 and scored only 14 points. Every time you vilify Peyton for not scoring more points it's very hypocritical to give Brady a pass for not scoring points. 25/38 247 yards 1 TD 1 int is doing "nothing"? But Brady's 16/27 145 yards in his first SB win is doing more? Brady scored 13 points in loss to Broncos in ' 05 Brady lost to the "choker" Peyton after being up 21-3 Brady scored 14 points after being the highest scoring team in the league Brady scored 14 points at home against underdog Ravens Brady goes one and done against the Jets Brady scores 17 points in SB loss to the Giants Brady loses at home the Ravens scores 13 points and throws 2 picks Brady loses to the "choker" in the AFC championship game Rodgers who was the favorite lost to the Cardinals throwing a game losing int. Rodgers loses to the Giants and goes one and done after a 15-1 season Rodgers loses to the 49ers sand has his worst playoff game Rodgers loses at home to the 49ers Brees goes one and done against the Jets Brees loses to Rex Grossman and the Bears and is held in check despite being one of the top scoring teams Brees loses to 7-9 Seahawks Brees loses a shoot out to the still maligned Alex Smith Brees loses to the Seahawks
He did only lead his O to 14 pts but he led his O to an 80 yd TD drive in the final minutes to give his D a 4 pt lead only to watch his D blow it. By the way, I haven't given Brady a pass but he has a much better resume so when he has clunkers it's not as bad as when peyton does b/c peyton does it consistently. Did Peyton lead his O on one of the greatest drives in the history of the SB to win the game? against a team that was favored by 2 TDs no less. Peyton had his bst postseason game ever in that 2006 title game(the 2nd half). the reason they were down 21-3 was b/c of peyton but for once he stepped up in the 2nd half and Brdy came up short only leading his O to 27 pts w/ reche Caldwell and jabar Gaffney as his main weapons. Imagine Peyton trying to win w/ that group? Brady has had some bad games in postseason but not nearly as many as Peyton and Brady has the success to fall back on. Brady is Jeter, Peyton is ARod if that makes it easier for you. Brady lost to Denver w/ a team that wouldn't have made the playoffs w/ Peyton at QB. Imagine Peyton trying to win w/ Julian Edelman as his top weapon. Rodgers led his O to 45 pts in that loss to the Cardinals- the defending NFC Champ cards on the road in Ari. bad job against NYG for Aaron. That was Brees' 1st career playoff game. NO was 3-13 the year before Brees led them to that title game at Chicago. Brees led NO to 36 pts in that loss to 7-9 NO. Alex Smith is pretty good. Brees led his O to 15 pts on the road in the toughest building to play in, 2 games later Peyton led his #1 ranked O to 8 pts(in garbage time no less) at a neutral site.
(Btw idk how you do this all day this is time consuming) So once again I'm using your logic. I don't actually think like this or believe any of this. So now what you're saying is that it was the defense fault for the SB loss? I can accept that but by that logic was it the Colts defense fault for their wildcard loss to the Jets? I mean it was a similar scenario. QB gives the team a late lead, defense gives up points and they lose? They were down 21-3 because of Peyton? So does Peyton play defense and special teams too? Prove that Peyton couldn't lead a team to the playoffs with Edelman. None of the stuff you said about the other QB's matter. They are great QB's they should've won. If Peyton is placed on such a high standard then so should everybody.
Brady didn't have a chance to end the SB, w/ one more 1st down Vinatieri is kicking the GW FG w/ no time on the clock and mark Sanchez doesn't have time to get the Jets in FG range to win it. That is the difference, a HUGE difference. he doesn't play D but he threw an INT for a TD which was huge. peyton has just 1 SB win w/ top 3 talent year after year after year after year. he's never had crappy weapons like NE '06 or NE '13. They are all great QBs but something has to separate them and Peyton's awful postseason resume does that.
by the way. average playoff wins when they made the playoffs: Peyton: 11 wins in 13 apps, .84 per app Brady: 18 wins in 11 apps, 1.6 per app Rodgers: 6 wins in 5 apps, 1.2 per app Brees: 6 wins in 6 apps, 1 per app reg season win % vs. postseason: Peyton: 167-73, 11-12. 69% vs. 48% Brady: 148-43, 18-8. 77% vs. 69% Rodgers: 58-29, 6-4. 67% vs. 60% Brees: 110-75, 6-5. 59% vs. 55% the other 3 are in line, only one has a huge difference.(not to mention only one is under .500)
Brady had time in the SB against the Giants. How did that end? Brady threw a pick close to the redzone in the SB. Peyton had better offenses but Brady had better defenses. Peyton doesn't have an awful postseason resume.
Brady, Brees and Rodgers based on your stats are better postseason QB's so by that logic they should get the Peyton treatment when they lose. Why are people ragging on a loser like Peyton smh.
The difference between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning is that Brady was a cheap QB for his first two Super Bowls. He had all that talent around him and the cap space to pay them. Peyton Manning was very expensive from the moment he was picked #1 in the draft and the Colts were never able to build a defense to match his offensive prowess. They took their limited cap space and they went all in on Manning by giving him a lot of weapons. Brady has the same number of trophies that Manning does once Brady became a franchise-salaried QB.
In hindsight the Jets should've made a bigger push in 2012 at Manning. I don't know if he would've came here anyway with his brother playing in the same city and all, but man I'd trade places with Denver right now no questions asked. They might be built for the short-term and selling their souls for a SB, but that's better than perpetual mediocrity like we've seen here. The Jets defense is even better than Denver's, we might be SB Champions by now. More than anything, this is why Mike Tannenbaum, who I think otherwise had some decent moments as GM, is out of a job. He thought pairing Tebow with Sanchez in a crucial offseason for his team was a more attractive option than putting out a full court press for Peyton Manning. Ouch! (I'll admit I was worried about his neck and thus I didn't want to get involved in a Manning chase at the time, but it was never about his ability as a QB when healthy) On top of thinking about how things would be different if we landed him in 2012, how about when he spurned us by not coming out in 1997. Think how things would've been different! A Young Manning QBing that 1998 team with Keyshawn, Chrebet and Martin, with that unbelievable coaching staff? We probably end up with at least one SB title somewhere in that era, probably another with a Manning / Rex Ryan pairing too, which I think would be a lethal combination.
Manning wasn't coming to NY. The team wasn't good enough and he didn't want to upstage Eli. He most likely would have come out for the Jets in 1997 if Parcells had agreed to take him and keep him. Parcells couldn't do that because he had a mandate to get Leon Hess a Super Bowl trophy in two seasons. Hess was terminally ill and 1998 was going to be it.
