Manning has and always has had top 3 talent to work with, he consistently comes up small in big spots despite all that talent as we saw in the SB. If Brady and manning have similar talent Brady is light years ahead of him and w/ talent worse than Manning has had at any point in his career Brady led his team to the title game. it's ridiculous that a guy w/ all that talent around him only has 1 SB win.
Ftr, my list ranks Foles high since it is based on right now. If he in fact as someone says "shows 13 to be a fluke", that would be in the future. Not now. I will comment on some of my choices. 1. Rodgers 2. P. Manning 3. Brady (imo and not wishful thinking, I think Brady is declining, and this will be more clear in a few months) 4. Brees 5. Foles 6. Ryan 7. Rothliesberger (tempted to move him down, but can't put anyone below him on this list higher) 8. Rivers 9. Newton (had my doubts about him before, but now I think he will rise to top five in a year or two) 10. Luck (could end up the best of his class if Foles stumbles and if Griffin does not return to his rookie (meaning regular season rookie) form) 11. Romo (great stats, but too inconsistent in big games, and getting hurt too often, too) 12. Stafford (often looks good, but too inconsistent) 13. Cutler 14. Palmer (too many rank him too low based on his pre-Arizona days - he should have made the playoffs last year but for the crowd in front of the Cards) 15. A. Smith (started well with Andy, but as the year went by imo his stock went down) 16. Wilson (can't argue with production, and he impresses with his smarts, but after all he had a great team around him and was not asked to do all that much) 17. Flacco (really had an off year, partly due to lack of support - I expect a rebound this season, but this is not a bad spot for him right now) 18. Bradford 19. E. Manning 20. Kaepernick (I am not a fan of his, because too much of his production is from taking off, which will cost him eventually - doesn't have good accuracy, either) 21. Dalton 22. Tannehill 23. Griffin (his injury and the controversies have really taken his stock down, imo) 24. Shaub 25. Cassel 26. Locker 27. McCown 28. Henne 29. Manuel 30.Fitzpatrick 31. Hoyer 32. G Smith (someone had to be last, and he is a good choice- expect Vick to start)
Would you say you kind of went into the future with Kaep though? Saying it will cost him eventually, you are kind of assuming eventually is now it will cost him right? Just nitpicking though, overall I like the list. Matt Stafford is a tough one to rank in my opinion.
I think you raise a fair question, but I think I have an answer. I view the OP's question as ranking who you would want right now, for the coming season. I see the kind of Qb play that Kaepernick uses is too risky for the NFL. Am I predicting he gets injured this season? No, but i do think it more likely than, say, Wilson, Luck or Foles, all the same age. Look at Griffin. Imo that was partly on his HC, to be sure, but in looking at him as a player, it was his style of play that led to his injury. So I plead guilty to looking for what is likely about the season. Not likely perhaps that Kaep gets injured this year, but likely he runs a too high risk of getting hurt. I also mentioned his accuracy as a bit of an issue, btw. A bit. His rating is very good. Compare his interception ratio to Smith's. Heh! But it is a bit odd that his completion percentage went down in his third year. Hm.
yeah that makes sense, fair point. What's odd about his completion % going down is that his sack % also went up and his Y/A went down (and ANY/A went down if you like that stat). I really haven't looked into why it went down, but you figure it is maybe because he was throwing down field more or avoiding sacks and what not
Truth. Saw him play while I went to school at Michigan State. Too bad he got hurt last year. I don't think he has a chance to start with the Manziel circus in Cleveland.
I don't want to spend too much focus on Kaepernick, and did not see all that much of him. But what we are focusing on here could well be that opposing DC's have begun to focus on how to blunt his style of play, to some effect. Interesting to see if it continues, or if instead he can improve his game.
1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Peyton Manning 3. Drew Brees 4. Tom Brady 5. Ben Rothlisberger 6. Phillip Rivers 7. Matt Ryan 8. Matthew Stafford 9. Cam Newton 10. Tony Romo 11. Andrew Luck 12. Jay Cutler 13. Russell Wilson 14. Joe Flacco 15. Robert Griffin III 16. Andy Dalton 17. Alex Smith 18. Colin Kaepernick 19. Eli Manning 20. Nick Foles 21. Sam Bradford 22. Ryan Tannehill 23. Carson Palmer 24. Matt Schaub 25. Matt Cassel 26. Jake Locker 27. Josh McCown 28. Ryan Fitzpatrick 29. Chad Henne 30. Geno Smith 31. EJ Manuel 32. Brian Hoyer
I've watched quite a bit of Kaepernick and I am impressed. People think he's just a runner, but he is improving as a passer. I think he is only going to get better as well, learning under Harbaugh. I would bet heavy that he's going to be one of the top QBs of the future. I wanted him bad the year he came out. I thought he would be a better Brad Smith, I didn't think he'd be as good as he's been. Unfortunately, those in charge figured we were fine with Sanchez and that babying him without competition was the right way to develop him. Nice call.
Kaep here would have been a bust, no one was thriving w/ the talent we had around the QB. Our issues haven't been at QB but w/ the weapons and this offseason we finally took some major steps towards correcting that.
Just because I'm bored and rained out of work I'll waste my time with this. It gets very difficult when you try to rank the younger quarterbacks with the more established veterans. 1. Peyton Manning- Last season's stats says it all. 2. Aaron Rodgers- SB champ, Prolific passer, would be #1 if Peyton retires but has good chance to outplay him this year. 3. Tom Brady- Nobody does more with less than Brady. Will be 38 when the season starts and showed a few weaknesses last year but without Gronk he was only throwing to rookies and slot receivers. 4. Drew Brees- SB Champ, had some of the best seasons in league history, proven Franchise guy. 5. Cam Newton- Would be ranked a lot lower if this was based on his arm alone. He's just too dynamic of a player and besides Luck there's not a single guy who was previously mentioned you'd rather have as your starting QB for the future. He's got his work cut out for him with this bad offseason. 6. Phillip Rivers- Coming off a great season he showed how important he was. I'd say Chargers would've been 4-12 without him but his presence kept them in a lot of games they were able to win. 7. Matt Ryan- phenomenal pocket passer that you can't blame for last year's disappointments but you have to wonder if he should've accomplished more by with the talent he's had. 8. Andrew Luck- There's not another player I'd rather have as my franchise QB going forward. Has the perfect arm. Ints are a little higher than you'd like last season, but his talent gets him this high and he'll be leapfrogging everyone in the coming years. 9. Big Ben- I think he'll be declining more and more each season but his arm, ability to escape the sack and 2x SB champ resume might make a claim for a higher rating than I gave him. 10. Tony Romo- Played at a very high level last year. Untimely ints and lack of playoff resume might be his downfall but I think he'd be a SB caliber QB with a better defense. It'd be hard to convince me the Jets wouldn't have made the playoffs last season with Romo's skill and production at the position. 11. Jay Cutler- Big Time arm, without a doubt one of the best all around pocket QBs in the game. He has his weapons, contract and improved line. He's in a good spot this upcoming season. 12. Joe Flacco- His ints from last year are more in my mind than his Super Bowl run, but he is up there with best arm strength in the league and has already proven he has what it takes with a good supporting cast. 13. Matt Stafford- Has a big arm like Flacco and racks up the passing yards but will need a big season to climb the list. 14. Colin Kaepernick- Many have mixed feelings about him because of his accuracy and the production wasn't always there last season. That said 3 seasons, 3 NFC championship appearances. His threat to take the ball himself and make a huge play is what ranks him ahead of the better pocket passers. Teams have nightmares game planning to stop Kap as much as all the other top QBs in the league. 15. Nick Foles- Outplayed his ranking last season. I need to see more, including if he can stay healthy and how he'll do in Year 2 of Chip Kelly's offense. 16. Eli Manning- His play embarrassed himself last year, but you know when he gets hot he's one of the top players in the league. Not to mention an established track record of 2 SB rings, I think it'd be foolish to drop him into the 20s. 17. Russell Wilson- Not a bad start to his career. Doesn't have to do as much as others but his ball fakes are such a key for him to buy time and continue plays. Such a high character guy with a nice deep ball. I'd be surprised if he doesn't win another Super Bowl one day. 18. Carson Palmer- Finally turned it around with Bruce Arians, Should have a few years left in him while the Cards develop Logan Thomas. Great Pocket passer, but on the downswing and hard to see Cards making a deep run with him. 19. Alex Smith- 2 words to describe him.. Game Manager. Will make very accurate throws but he's just not a real big threat with his arm which will prevent him from being a top QB. Definitely has proved himself in this league the past 3 seasons. 20. RG3- Last year was a disaster, his knee definitely wasn't fully healed. I'd still take him over many because when healthy he is a complete game changer and along with Newton and Kap he can and will beat you with his feet.. probably faster and a better scrambler than both. 21. Andy Dalton- I'll never forget how bad he lit us up last season. That said it must be nice to have AJ Green to throw the ball to. I just don't think he has it in him to be any more than a midlevel starter with a strong arm and he'll need to prove himself this upcoming season. 22. Sam Bradford- Like Dalton I don't see him having what it takes to turn into a top QB, but Bradford is more injury prone and had a longer time to show he's not going to be a special player. 23. Ryan Tannehill- I think the potential is there. He just needs more time and a better line which he's getting this season,with Tannehill it's purely wait and see, yeah I'd rather have him than Geno or Vick but I wouldn't be too confident he can take the Dolphins to the promise land. 24. Josh McCown- Was the best backup in the league this year, he's just going to pretend Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson are Alshon Jeffrey and Brandon Marshall and put up some big numbers with Lovie. That said older with not much of a future in this league as a starter. 25. Matt Schaub- probably takes the biggest fall from last season to this season. Was awful last year but has a chance to turn it around in Oakland with their good draft and free agency shopping spree. 26. Jake Locker- I thought he had serious potential but I think the Titans are in a position to have a real bad season unless he plays a lot better than last year. 27. Chad Henne- Decent veteran, will be good mentor to Bortles but my guess is this is his last year starting in the league. 28. Cassel- Solid Pro, not a bad bridge to Bridgewater. 29. EJ Manuel- Injuries derailed a solid rookie season, Watkins will give him a real chance to become a big time play maker but he honestly reminds me of Tajh Boyd with a better throwing motion. 30. Geno Smith- in our wins he played like a real promising rookie who has a future in this league. Unfortunately he looked worse then Sanchez in our losses and I'm left scratching my head. Vick might start ahead of him but Geno is young enough to have a real chance and I think Marty is the guy to bring out the best in him. 31. Brian Hoyer- Looked promising in 3 games before tearing his ACL last year. If Gordons gone he has the worst WRs in the league and Johnny Football is taking over the starting roles sooner than later. 32. Ryan Fitzpatrick- Should be a backup at this point in his career. I don't blame Andre Johnson for wanting out. The team is stacked, defense will be awesome yet there going into the year with a Fitzpatrick/Savage/Keenum qb competition. Clowney and Watt could combine for 30 sacks but they're not going to be putting up any points with this QB situation, good luck Bill O'Brien
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/2006.htm Right right.. And also, even if that claim were even close to being true, I'm speaking of whole careers, not one season. Nice try tho Junc.
I see your problem, you are looking at meaningless rankings and fantasy stats. In the playoffs: D allowed 12.8 PPG Addai/Rhodes: 138-600 yds, 4.3 YPC Peyton: 3 TDs, 7 INTs Their Ds were very underrated, they had D's good enough to win SBs w and they failed b/c of the choker under C.
I don't use fantasy stats and that's it. I use stats as part of my evaluation. In this case the #s are pretty clear. The Colts O had one great half that postseason, other than that they didn't do much. Peyton was more along for the ride and he has shown he can't win a SB unless his D dominates.
The Colts under Peyton never had a dominant defense. When they trailed by however many points they did in the championship game. You think a QB that's "along for the ride" could bring them back and win a shoot out?
12.8 PPG tells a different story. they were down big in the title game b/c of PEYTON 1st half: Indy D forces punt, Indy O 3 and out NE scores, 7-0 lead Indy makes FG, 7-3 NE scores 14-3. Peyton throws INT for TD, 21-3. He had a great 2nd half, the greatest performance of his career and he deserves credit for it but he didn't do much the other 3 1/2 games.
Right because Peyton plays defense too. Not saying him or the offense didn't play a part in the deficit. But the point is that no QB who is "along for the ride" is bringing a team back from that big of a deficit.
