Either the Yanks heard us bitching about this crappy lineup, or they are really scared of Hank. 6 RBI for the porn stache and more stat padding for Arod. I'll take the beatdown. Side note, Gardner is fucking fast. They need a player like him in this lineup, or at the very least a pinch runner off the bench. If they send him back down, I will be pissed. Trade the Melk-Man away for a bag of potato chips. He needs to be dealt so we can look to the future. Cabrera's time to show the Yanks what hes got is over. Now get the fuck out. This rookie Gardner has been more exciting and provided more worth on this team in 3 days, batting .100, then I can remember from Melky. He makes the most of his trips to the bases. Imagine when his hits start falling. He's capable of scoring almost everytime he get aboard. I love that excitement.
I don't even know how to react to the game. Half of me is like "Well, it's about time". The other half is like "Way to shoot your load with Boston coming to town". Game 3 was exactly what the entire series was supposed to be. Just one big group of football games. I stop watching the game around the third and was listening, so I don't know how it looked, but I thought Ponson pitched well enough, considering that the Rangers score more runs than any other team. Hopefully this team can take this game forward. They need to start winning a lot of games if they have any hope of salvaging this season.
I'm very excited about Gardner's speed, I'm not sure I've ever seen a faster Yankee, BUT why would we just get rid of melky? He's struggling but he's been a good player for us for a few years now. Why is everything "what have you done for me lately"?
hes been a .260 hitter for a calendar year now. Has limited range in CF and a great arm. As much as I hate him, I suppose we dont HAVE tog et rid of him. But we dont HAVE to keep him either
I actually agree with junc on this one. We have two outfield positions that will need filling over the course of the next couple years. I'd say Melky can be a solid right fielder for us, and surely no worse than Abreu. (I'm not saying Abreu is a poor outfileder, but what Melky lacks in some common sense, Abreu makes up for with irrational fear of the fence.) Unless the Yankees are ready to promote Tabata and Jackson (who are still the top two OFs in the system, correct?), Melky may as well stay on. Damon only has but so much left, and there's a good chance he doesn't return next year. Abreu's contract is up too, isn't it? Who knows if he returns either. Now if someone approaches Cashman and makes him an offer he can't refuse, then tell Melky to pack his bags. Without a decent offer though, I see no reason to just dump him. Speaking of offers, here's a question to all the TGG Yankees fans: Do you want Sabathia, and if so, what would you be willing to give up to get him? I was thinking about it this morning. My first thought was yes, and I'd be willing to give Kennedy, Cabrera, and a good prospect (depending who). I don't know if that would be enough at this point though. I'm still loathe to part with Hughes, but he might be required if we wanted Sabathia. Thinking about it though, that would send us into '09 with: Wang Sabathia Chamberlain Pettitte (no way he doesn't return next year) Moose (I think he'll get at least a one year deal after his work this year) That's a pretty formidable rotation, at least in the short term. If Cleveland were to demand a Johanesque trade (Hughes, Kennedy, Cabrera, prospect), I'd probably say "No go" though. I'd give up Cabrera and a prospect, along with one of Hughes/Kennedy (preferably Kennedy), but not all of them.
so you basically just said you would give up hughes, kennedy and melky for sabathia. Isnt that the exact package that you didnt want to give up for santana? you are a very mysterious man mr alio.
TB may be willing to trade for Sabathia even knowing they can't re-sign him at the end of the season. And even if the Yankees offer Hughes, Kennedy, and Cabrera (which I doubt), Tampa could easily top that and still have a dominant system.
No. That's exactly what I didn't say. I said I would give up either Hughes or Kennedy, and that I was still reluctant to let go of Hughes. Plus, Sabathia has more years left in his arm than Santana does.
I would want him, but I wouldn't give up more than Kennedy/Melky/Prospect, something which I doubt gets it close to done. I'd rather just wait until the off-season to sign him. I'm not trading major pieces to get him without the guarantee of him signing a long term deal. Last thing they need is to give up a Hughes or Jackson or Montero for half a season of Sabathia (a season in which I haven't been expecting to make the playoffs).
I agree. I just think he'd give us a legit shot if this lineup can figure things out. I should have stipulated that signing a long-term deal would be part of, since obviously you don't give up all of that for 2-3 months of work. You're probably right about the cost though. Isn't it wonderful that Yankee and Red Sox money paid for the construction of a Tampa Bay team now ahead of both of them?
haha you two know what im talking about...your man love for cashman....tampa has built a better farm than the yankees? arent I always hearing from you two how great a job cashman has done with the system? nevermind, youre not even fun to fuck with
tampa has a better farm because theyve had the number one draft pick every year pretty much since year one of their existence. plus their always sellers at the trade dealine so they stockpile prospects. not that hard to understand.
Obviously, we aren't. Especially when the summation you come up with is totally incongruent to the current conversation, and further, just off base. What is wrong with saying that the Rays have a better farm system than the Yankees? The Rays have been consistently losing, and therefore drafting higher, than the Yankees over their lifetime. If they didn't have a better farm system it would be a clear sign of total ineptitude. I don't know for sure, but I would say the Royals have a better system than the Yankees too. Hooray for them. Just like the Rays and their fans will see very soon, they can't afford to keep any of their talent around long enough to build a consistent team, much less a champion. The Rays are lucky enough that they've got such a young franchise. That's the only reason their best players haven't yet bolted for teams like the Yankees and Sox, where the real money is. Wait till Longoria comes up for free agency. None of that is a mark against Cashman, and actually, further supports our stance that he's done an amazing job of reconstructing the system. It's a system that has produced Chamberlain, Wang, Gardner, Ramirez, and at some point will have Jackson, Tabata, Montero, and a host of others coming up. That's on top of the very real possibility that neither Hughes nor Kennedy is actually the bust you believe them to be. If they haven't started performing within the next 3 years, when both would legitimately have been "MLB-ready" age, then tell me they're busts. Now I can't speak for 10P, but I can for myself. I'm not saying Cashman is the greatest GM in all of sports, but at the same time, he's far from the worst. Not every move is going to work. Not every lack of a move is smart. It's all a gamble. At the same time, a lot of the risks he's chosen to or to not take have quite some time before they pan out one way or the other. I understand your frustration. I'm pissed off with this team too. However, it's the veterans who are underperforming that are hurting us, not the youth. Jeter's down offensively. Giambi struggled for a long time. Abreu has been pretty cold over the past month. Damon started slowly. Posada's arm is clearly not up to par. Yeah, Cano and Melky are youth who have underperformed too, but the problem is much bigger than either of them. It's also bigger than the pitching, which has been nothing short of stellar. If you don't count the Giese game last week, and discount that Ponson's performance last night was against the best hitting club in the majors, the starting pitching has been absolutely brilliant. Given the sheer number of health issues in the rotation, we shouldn't even be at .500 right now, much less over it. If this team could actually hit half as well as they did last night on a regular basis, they would shoot right past Boston and Tampa Bay.
