Ramifications of the Ohio State vs. Clemson game

You had me until the bold. Rolling with Darnold is not a viable option imo. I like Lance too If JD doesn't like Fields for some reason, thinks Wilson is too risky, and decides to draft Lance, I'll hope for the best, but think that JD probably got greedy (if he traded down) or screwed up (if he took Sewell).

 

Our good friend DefenseWinsChampionship loves to utter those words. Generational is a an overused word imo.

 

Yep. That's the reality. It's the law of supply and demand. There aren't enough good/great QBs to go around, so teams are going to pay a premium to get one they think can become a good/great QB. You either play the game and try to get one, or don't play the game, and you're perennially awful and have no chance of winning.

 

2018 and Sam/Baker/Rosen is not 2021 with Tevor/Fields/Wilson.

2 of the 3 this year play on MAJOR perennial CFP championship teams, the 2018 guys did not.

Sam was a bit ahead of the other guys and I recall that Haslan (Browns) even sat with him in the stands when he visited the Browns and everyone assumed they were surely taking him #1. But it was NOT a lock.

Trevor Lawrence has been the presumed #1 overall pick since he beat Alabama for the CFP in 2019.

 

If JoeD is on the fence, then he surely takes him if that comes to fruition.

If he says "he had a couple of nice games but our overall assesment remains about the same" and trades the pick......he better be damn right. That or the new HC better improve Sam's QB rating by 20 points immediately.

One thing is clear....unless Fields BOMBS against Alabama (and isn't hurt).....then we are either taking a QB at #2 or trading the pick to someone who wants Fields (or maybe Wilson, though I doubt it). I don't see us using the #2 on a positional player.

 

I agree with you--

Could make an argument for the generational Penei Sewell but I think he's the third best option now:

1) You go QB if you think Wilson or Fields are elite
2) You trade the pick for a king's ransom and help this team for next 3 years

 

I think this is a very good post and an extremely pragmatic take. Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that Fields had a great game, in fact I'm thrilled about it!! Coming down from outer space and watching TL/JF play for the first time ever I'd have even said JF is the better player...The more QB's that play great, look great and may in fact be great is a huge bonus to the Jets. After the four months of shredding all of them to pieces, maybe JD/New Coach view Fields or one of them as a franchise QB and drafts one, or they don't and some other team does and the Jets trade for a bounty of picks. Either way, there's no downside for the Jets. But, and I think Hornblower used the best line, the dust will need to settle first. If Fields comes out next week against AL and throws 3 picks, then does he go back into the trash compactor? We need him to play lights out next week to increase his value and thus increase the value of the #2 pick. Whether he's the Jets QB of the future or not has a long way to go prior to being decided as we don't even have the new coach yet and that guy will probably contribute 50% to that decision. But the Jets are certainly way better off today than they were on Dec 31st and ultimately that's all the really matters.

One other thing that I was thinking this morning, which I also saw several other posts refer to today, was what if after the 4 month shredding that teams (including the Jags) view JF as the better QB. Wouldn't that be crazy...Then all of the pressure/risk goes to the holder of the #1 pick. You've got the Mayor in Jacksonville already touting TL, ESPN even this morning broadcasting a game from Jacksonville called it the future home of TL and I'm sure the Jag's owner is already having his marketing team drawing up plans to sell that guy every which way to Sunday...Can you imagine the immense pressure to take him even if the football folks think he's the #2 QB. All of that is more wishful thinking based on one game played not even 24hrs ago, but it's interesting to think about as crazy as it sounds. It's like the Baker Mayfield decision on human growth hormone...Could it be that the Jets lucked out by getting the #2 pick as they'd be in the same position amplified by 10,000 due to the NY media. Fun to think about but let's give it a week and see where we're at...then let's see who the new coach is and get some of his thinking. One thing I feel very, very certain of is that in the coming weeks/months, you'll hear JD/New Coach praising the hell out of Sam Darnold and talk about how much they want to build around him. There won't be any inkling of them replacing Darnold up to the point that they due, should they decide to go in that direction.

 

Funny you would say that. I basically saw similar flaws with TL. Pocket presence was poor, did not progress thru reads very well at all, inaccurate passes and his holding on to the ball was dismal with three should be fumbles. Second bowl game in two years that TL showed me very little about showing up for the big one carrying a team on his back and make things happen.

 

That's basically what I said in my post.

I'm not opposed to taking Justin Fields, assuming the HC is onboard with an RPO based offense. Maybe Doug Pederson as an example.

However I am opposed to taking him #2 overall. The Eagles had some real talent on their roster when they brought Wentz and the RPO in house. The Jets have bupkus. They can't make the gamble on a premium pick when they are in year 2 of the build and have only a LT and a FS as their clearly good players.

 

I like Lawrence, but in still think wilson will be the best qb in this draft and the jets need to not pass him over this time. The could have had Rodgers or Mahomes but didnt because of someother BS reason.

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His skill set is so far beyond just being an RPO quarterback. But that's being built in to more and more NFL offenses anyways so yes given his speed I'd imagine it'll be apart of it early in his career.

 

If you want people to take you seriously here, you have to actually try to articulate your point.

Telling people you are correct because that’s how you feel is great and all, but don’t expect anyone to respect your football mind... a little effort goes a long way.

 

I've been on this board longer than you have, so im good. I already articulated my point. Read my posts.

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Wow, I didn't know that Sanchez threw for 400 yards in the Rose Bowl. No wonder we moved up to #5 to get him.

I don't think he ever threw for 400 with us in 4 years.

 

Your first paragraph says it all, and its why nobody can truly be right or wrong in their opinion on the second pick right now. Were in a win/win situation. At least these are good problems to have.

 

Sure they can !!

We have plenty of cap space AND lots of picks. It'd be one thing if we were TRADING picks to move from 10 or 12 to #2.....we aren't. We're already at #2......we're in the catbird seat.

JoeD and the new HC have to be on board with taking Fields or Wilson....if they see multiple (not 1 or 2) problems that will crop up against teams whose WORST players in the NFL are better than THE BEST you see from virtually every college program outside of the Top 5.....if they aren't SURE about Fields or Wilson......then they don't take him.. If they see any "killer" traits that are going to be difficult or impossible to fix in the NFL, you pass.

Don't FORCE THE PICK because you're not sure you'll be in this position again in a year or two.

If you forgo the QB's, then presumably Sam is your man. As long as you can make him serviceable we can live with him short-term. If the new HC says he can move his QB rating up 20 points with better talent and coaching, well unless that same coach and JoeD see a superstar with Fields or Wilson, then you roll with Sam.

Look at all the recent QB's who flopped...look at those who excelled.....look at those still on the fence....look at the current QB prospects in college and ask WHAT the pros in those 3 categories looked like in college and how Fields and Wilson look compared to them.

Right now, it's 50-50 on most of them. Do the DD correct, and the odds are closer to 75% in our favor, maybe more.

 

[QUOTE="Br4d, post: 4023363, member: 1847"
when they are in year 2 of the build and have only a LT and a FS as their clearly good players.[/QUOTE]

Just curious, what do you think of Q Williams?
Because as of know I would say he is light years ahead of Maye as being considered a good football player.