Quinn as HC, Shanahan as OC accd to this report

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  1. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    I don't buy the whole "he inherited a stacked roster" mantra.

    I get it, he walked into an ideal situation with talent but he coached that talent. He led them to where they are and spent the time to build that defense into what it is. Schemes, player adjustments, film study, etc. That all falls on him.
     
  2. 4jetfans

    4jetfans Well-Known Member

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    Two weeks to the Senior Bowl they had better get their shit together soon.
     
  3. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    You got any better ideas?
     
  4. BakerMaker

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    With Shanahan, the lone real saving grace is he's been screwed both times in DC and CLE by having an ill-prepared owner saddle him with a QB he never wants in RG3 and Manziel each. That affects him mightily, that implies he isn't getting the QB he wants to call his plays and run his offense. Hoyer is a JAG and may be brought in here if Shanahan's here just because he knows the system and that's fine but I will admit Shanahan hasn't had much to work with as far as QB goes, maybe Matt Schaub for the 1-2 years he was there. No Cameron or Gordon under his stay in Cleveland also hurt, the fact that they didn't give him a WR worth a damn in the draft limits what could have been. That does play a role as to what's gone down for Shanahan lately.

    But this is Woody Johnson we are dealing with and if Winston speaks and sells the farm on Woody, Shanahan may be stuck with Heisman winner no.3 in Winston and will go through the same ordeal again. Just seeing as an outsider looking in, I can't imagine Winston would be the kind of QB Shanahan would want.
     
  5. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    People complain about Geno but want Cousins? Both are talented young quarterbacks but both are inconsistent. I'd rather stick with our homegrown guy over Cousins imo.
     
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  6. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    So don't buy that he walked into a stacked roster? OK guy.
     
  7. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying that lol

    I'm saying, I don't buy that it is the roster that is causing his success and not his coaching.
     
  8. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    That's the risk you take anytime you go after a coordinator from a stacked team. Was it him, was it the personnel he's got, or a combo of both?
     
  9. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I didn't say it was, just that I don't think it's clear that his coaching is what makes them great. We won't know until he goes somewhere else and has success or doesn't.

    Do you want to interview the Broncos offensive coordinator too because they have an awesome offense.
     
  10. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    it's a tough one to gauge.
    good coaches can make bad talent look average, average talent look good, and have good talent perform among the best.

    Quinn has done the latter, but the talent has been very very good.
    I certainly won't penalize him for the talent, and to his credit, they have been best in league.

    just wish he had more track record on teams with different talent levels.
    and the question as to his impact on that talent is a fair one. They don't do anything special in terms of play calling, and really run only 2-3 defensive formations. So he's essentially letting great talent just line up and play.

    He hasn't been nearly as creative as Bowles, but maybe he just recognizes that he doesn't have to be with this unit.
    To his credit, he has moved interchangeably between the 3-4, 4-3, and Carroll's 4-3 version throughout his career. So you can argue he is well versed, not married to one approach only, and adaptable to personnel available.

    i agree it is less than clear how much impact he's had on that D, and how he would be as a Head Coach.
    but I'm warming up to the idea, and feel he may be worth the risk/reward on taking a chance on him considering the other options out there.
    the other guy i'm very interested in as well is Bowles.
     
  11. Endlessly Counting

    Endlessly Counting Well-Known Member

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    Are we sure Quinn is going to take the Jet job. Hasn't he interviewed elsewhere?
     
  12. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Adam Gase is a strong candidate for head coaching right now as well.

    And that's comparing Apples to oranges. While they both are Coordinators, an offense can be heavily swayed by one guy. Peyton Manning is his own offensive coordinator. How much does Gase really do? No one really knows. But that's vastly different from a defense. A defense has many units that need to play together to create one dominant unit. Yes, offense has many units also, but a high profile QB like Manning can make any offense work. There's not one guy on a defense that does that. There's not one guy running the entire thing holding the ball every down. There's a lot more thought that goes into a defense than an offense with a guy like Manning at the helm.
     
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    Should've left your second paragraph off. You don't have a grasp to a wrong point there.

    It's harder to operate & plan an offense than it is a defense. The defense reacts, the offense dictates. That's why offenses are much more complex and have more plays than the defense. One great player or not it's easier to develop a scheme where you -- stop them vs. find a way to get past them.
     
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    He's in the middle of the playoffs how can this be?
     
  17. rinvesto

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    it is possible, Rex was hired immediately after the Ravens were eliminated by us. they agree and then sign the contract when it is legal. Hope this is true
     
  18. RichardCaster

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    Won't be announced until after Seattle done.
    He is getting a staff together to be HC NYJ
     
  19. jetsclaps

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    It's not official but Marvez said Quinn is already reaching out to assistants to join him on Jets.
     
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