How am I touchy? Ebron is more of a complimentary piece, I happen to feel first round WR/TE should be guys you can do a lot with or a guy defenses will scheme against to open the field up for other players
I agree that Keller was pretty much just a receiving TE, and also that Ebron is a good blocker. I just don't see him as a great or devastating blocker, however, and due to his smaller size, he's probably got a fairly low ceiling as a blocker, and while he won't be as one-dimensional as Keller, and will be much better in that one dimension, he still won't be the kind of blocker I'd like the Jets to have in their starting TE. I totally agree that he is the most athletically gifted TE since Vernon Davis and should be a match up problem for opposing Ds. The question is whether that will help the Jets more than a stud OLB/pass rusher or a WR like Lee or possibly even Beckham if he moves up following the Combine.
I see this a lot; is that really an issue? Cumby is an average blocker compared to other blocking TEs or receiving TEs? Look around the league, you'll be hard pressed to find too many starting TEs that are better blockers than Cumberland. He is the best blocking TE on a team that was 6th in rushing and rushed well off tackle. Cumby is also the guy we keep when we max protect. Most TEs struggle one on one against edge rushers; I hope that's not what we are judging his blocking on. His route running needs refining and needs to diminish the drops due to concentration lapses but blocking is a non-issue IMHO.
I don't think we should cut Cumbrerland, he's a #2 TE at best. Cumberland really isn't a good blocker, he gives some effort but it isn't a strenght. Cumberland is a converted WR with a big body that just lacks athletic ability. To give Geno a chance to succeed an upgrade at the postion will be beneficial.
You got defensive when I disagreed with you, no big deal. Ebron can do " alot" and defenses will "scheme" to address a weapon like Ebron. A couple of Guys in this forum have used the "complimentary" tag on Ebron. A player of Ebron's ability and athleticism for a big target will create mis-matches the Jets haven't had in recent memory. So to say Ebron is a complimentary player is wrong. If you want to say a JAG TE is a complimentary player, like Cumberland....I agree 100%. We can agree to disagree. It's clear you don't like Ebron and you have him rated as a 2nd Rd prospect....you said you wouldn't draft him in Rd 1. There may be other options when the Jets are OTC in Rd 1, which is cool, just be certain if Ebron is available he will be considered.
its not that I dont like him I just consider him a reach in Round 1 for our team especially because our offense isn't really "dynamic" yet Now if we traded back towards then end of the 1st(29-32) and grabbed him then maybe I'd be okay with it
Ebron i doubt will be there at 18 considering he is the top TE in the draft and there are several teams in need of a starting TE that can do it all. Evans and Sammy will be gone too.. Ha Ha will also probably be gone too... Just saying realistically i think it will come down to Benjamin, Ford, Lee or Amaro..
I agree with this. Ebron reminds me alot of Vernon Davis. Guy has crazy speed for someone his size. Hes not the best blocker but thats mostly from strength and not technique. As a 20 year old you expect him to bulk up a bit. Hes still more than capable of blocking. All in all hes a big target with great hands and speed who isnt afraid of going down the middle.
I'm praying Ebron is available at #18, because he would be far and away the best prospect available at that point. I don't think that's happening, unfortunately. I think he's going to shoot up after the combine after he runs his 40 time.
Davis is a good comparison to Ebron.. I think Ebron might even be a bit better blocking on the line... He's a gem but dont get ur hopes up... Personally i dont think he makes it past the Giants. I could also see Atlanta trading back a few spots to get him too... Thats ok we will land Benjamin hopefully and this stud will be our best WR since KJ!! Plus our scouting staff must LOVE him!!! They were in full force at the Florida/Florida st game where he lit them up for 212 yards and 3 TDs.
I hope Ebron is available. Giants need to stay away from him, shit they got the best TE coach in the league they don't need a 1st rounder for a TE - they have so many needs
if Ebron makes it past Buffalo, I think we would be home free. I don't see many teams after that in need of a TE.
Giants - Myers stinks Pitt- Miller is getting old Bal - If they loose Pitta Det - If they loos Pettigrew
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Why would you draft Ford if you are bringing Pace back? We have drafted DE for the last 3 years and we need some playmakers on offense. I don't see one starter in that draft and we can't have a draft like that. Its time for Idzik to start putting the pieces together to get us into the playoffs this year. This mock needs more offense and no DE.
Pace is one and done, Ford could be OLB edge rusher we need. I agree we need offensive weapons, but if players like Ebron and Evans are gone, we have to take the BPA at #18 even if it's a defensive player. The Jets shouldn't reach for a WR at #18 that is valued in late Rd 1.
How Would The Jets Score? If Idzik drafts this guy he should be run out of town before the draft is even over. This guy is Vernon Gholston Part Doo. The Jets need playmakers who can get into the end zone not cover up for secondary shortcomings.
Dude. Ford will play OLB, NOT DE, and he would elevate our D to the elite level. In terms of rushing the passer, Pace couldn't carry Ford's jock, but there are other things that Pace could help Ford with. Ford would probably start out as a situational pass rusher, but if he has a good work ethic, would probably be starting by mid-season. He could give the Jets the DROY two years in a row. He would give this D speed and play-making ability that they've not had in a long time, maybe ever. He could be the BPA at #18 if Evans, Watkins, and Ebron are all gone. Amaro would be a huge reach as would S-J. Personally, if Beckham winds up ranked as a mid-first round pick following the Combine, I'd have a very difficult time choosing between Ford and Beckham, because I like Beckham a lot and because of the need at WR. That said, I'd take Ford because they've had a huge need at OLB for 10-15 years, and one doesn't get the opportunity to draft a potential stud OLB pass rusher very often. The only way I wouldn't take Ford there is if the Jets had signed Worrilds in FA. I'd take Ford over Ebron and maybe over Evans. If Barr or Mack fell to #18, I'd take them over anyone else in the first round except Bridgewater. The difference between Pace or any other OLB currently on the Jets roster and Ford is much bigger than the difference between Beckham and Landry or Matthews or Davante Adams. There are good WRs in the draft every year, and particularly this year is very deep with quality WR prospects. No starters? ROFLMAO, you have to be kidding. Matthews, Loston, Yankey and Fiedorowicz, would probably all be instant starters, but if not instant, for sure by mid-season and probably sooner. Even taking Ford in the first, the Jets would be adding a high quality WR prospect and high quality TE prospect, upgrading their OL, adding a very good RB prospect, and adding a needed punter. I don't know anything about Jones other than what the OP said, and he's right at least that the Jets need a better PR/KR. The only thing I see missing are the 4 comp picks, and he made this draft before I posted the article about the comp picks, and it's not necessarily accurate.
Your post shows that you have no understanding about a 3-4 D or what has hurt the Jets D over the years. The Jets have had no consistent pass rush for years and it's crucial for any D. They've also had no LB who had the speed to get to a lot of the running plays or who could drop into coverage and keep TEs or RBs from killing us. Ford is not Gholston. Have you even seen him play? They could take Ford and still get playmakers in the other rounds. You act like the Jets are going to be able to get multiple playmakers in the first round, or if they don't get one in the first round they're screwed, and that's just not true.
