Whether they like Hack is true, it sure seems like it based on their actions. I never saw the Lynch connection other than mocks. Hack has his own issues but at least he is less of a project, has all the intangibles as well as the physical tools. Franchise potential is there and he seems to have media savvy to handle NY.
Main reason his draft stock has fell so much IMO. I look back to this time last year looking at this years draft and Cook was considered by most to be the best QB prospect and a for sure top 5 pick. He has all the skills but def didnt have the best season. Whoever takes him is going to be taking a risk but I think thats a risk worth taking.
The injury and his lower body mechanics need work. His inaccuracy when throwing on the run is evident by that. I thought that would improve his senior year but it didn't and it hurt his stock. He doesn't check the ball down all that much and the MSU offense doesn't really use the screen game so that is a direct correlation to his completion %, but he is still an accurate thrower of the football in the pocket and especially down the field. He's a Jay Cutler / Kirk Cousins mix in a way, but better physically. I think he's a great fit for Gailey because Gailey will help Cook pick and choose his battles when it comes to aggressive throws in small windows / down the field, in the RZ.
Who was the last QB who was under 60% with multiple years as the starter in college and became a great QB? Is there anybody who has done that in the Peyton Era? The closest I can find to a good QB who did that was Michael Vick and he obviously had other things going for him, being the best running QB in history to that date.
Jay Cutler, Matthew Stafford are examples and Matt Ryan had 59.3 in his last year. Russell Wilson had 2 collegiate seasons with sub 60%. Completion % does not completely correlate to a QBs accuracy, because the QB had the best deep passing accuracy in college football among draftees and it wasn't even close. That's why I keep telling people to watch the tape and look at the offensive tendencies of the MSU offense. Rarely will you see a check-down or screen. There should always be context behind the #s and there is almost always an exception to the rule. I know you are following the Parcells rules but what does Parcells really know about QBs when the dude had a chance to get Peyton and passed on it completely?
Lofl Yeah, I wanna see him keep up that act in the NFfuknL. He's gonna have some adjusting to do I'd say,
Great post NC. Hey if Lynch is the pick I'm a Jets fan and will support until proven otherwise. The one thing lurking in this scenario is Rex at 19. He is also looking for a franchise QB and how great would he feel taking one a spot ahead of the team that fired him. Intersting to see how this goes down tonight.
But Wilson went over 60% finally as a senior. It's kind of a minimum for QBs of today, not talking about guys that have been in the league 7-8-9 years. He went into his senior season as a sub 59% passer and even you agreed he HAD to top 60% for you to even consider him. 65% would have been even better. He was even WORSE this year at 56%. Did he complete some passes? Absolutely. So does every starting QB. He missed WAY too many automatic ones. I see a very erratic and inaccurate QB missing easy ones and hitting a few and you see "big boy throws" and dismiss is inaccuracy. Plus he is very un athletic. And a jerkoff. Pass please. _
And Petty played nearly his entire senior season with 2 broken bones in his back and he was a superior QB to Cook yet some guys still want to waste a pick on the dude. Love Petty or hate him, there is zero reason to take Cook when you have a much better player already on your roster. _
Cousins was pretty solid last season no? Cutler definitely a douche, but he doesn't really care about the game of football.
I simply answered Brad's question in terms of completion %. If Cook played in a spread offense and couldn't complete 60% of his passes it would be a MAJOR issue, but again this is why I tell everyone to watch the tape and the offense philosophy at MSU. A very aggressive pro style offense that didn't take into consideration many screen passes and check-downs. I wouldn't rule out any prospect in terms of having that completion % until I watch the tape, see what type of offense is ran and what throws the QB can make. Then I make the determination on the QBs accuracy. He is inaccurate or "inconsistent" throwing on the run, which is due to bad lower body mechanics which is an aspect that can be improved. In the pocket, I think he's fine but still needs work in comparison to Goff. Big boy throws are important and I think the only guy that made those throws consistency in the last 2 drafts was Goff, Cook and Winston [in no order]. He's no standing duck in the pocket either. Feel free to pass on him that's on you as I am not attempting to convince you ... I am only telling you what is on tape. Completion % doesn't completely correlate to a QBs accuracy. I told 74 this, if I looked at the box score and went only by that, I wouldn't like Cook either.
I love Petty. This team is starting to be put together in a great way. Building up the team making sure the QB, any QB has weapons and some ability. Sanchez had it, just not the QB. Geno never had it. No supporting cast. He was looking to do big things last year. In came Fitz. Now exit Fitz. We didn't lose much. Geno is capable for the last season on the contract. The kid has been maturing and learning and he already has playing experience. It's his last year on his contract. Make him earn it. If not we let Petty who is a great prospect air it out. He's currently learning and maturing. We are in a good situation. For once. We won't be drafting a QB early this draft. I think Petty has a future and the FO is behind him. Let's see what Geno can do.
For those who care, there are only 4 of notable QB prospects met the 26-27-60 rule this year by my count. @JStokes you'll be happy to know Driskel made the list. Jared Goff: 34 Wonderlic, 37 Starts, 63.9 CMP% Kevin Hogan: 38 Wonderlic, 41 Starts, 65.9 CMP% Jeff Driskel: 29 Wonderlic, 42 Starts, 60.7 CMP% Nate Sudfeld: 28 Wonderlic, 38 Starts, 60.3 CMP%
I'm not a believer. I think he's limited and took advantage of a very soft schedule. what the skins did is akin to us handing fitz 20 mil becuz of last year.
Cook can be very accurate just like every other D1 starter but he can be as inaccurate as a 3rd stringer. Senior season on one of the best teams in the nation behind a massive OLine and completing 56% of his passes is inexcusable. Rationalize it all you want. 56% comp is inaccurate by any measure. _
So this is what Rotoworld has to say. 20. New York Jets -- Memphis QB Paxton Lynch A Wednesday report from ESPN New York's Rich Cimini claimed the Jets have "cooled" on Lynch. That seems like tactical pre-draft misinformation, for a team to so suddenly and publicly "cool" on a player the very day before the draft. Lynch could also be drafted much earlier than this, although it could be after the Jets move up the board to secure him. In Rotoworld college prospects guru Josh Norris' mock, he projected a 49ers-Jets trade with Lynch ending up on Gang Green.
Not every D1 starter runs the same system, so you must always take that into consideration, which you still aren't doing. That part of your argument is 110% irrelevant. In regards to MSU's O-line, it wasn't that great. Watch the Temple Game, the Maryland game where Yannick Ngakoue really did some major work on Conklin. They played some really good pass rushing teams this year. Again, I'm looking at what I see on tape and I see a QB that is accurate down the field [3rd down / against the blitz], but has issues throwing on the run. 56% does not again tell the entire story and not even close. In the pocket on 3rd down he's at 70% as an NFL QB, you make your money on 3rd down. http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/player/416/1040259/passing/situational.html I want a QB good on 3rd down, makes plays to win games, doesn't turn the ball over too much and has a brain. I think this prospects checks those boxes pretty well.
