Thanks. Liked everything I heard until Prescott.... Cook in 2nd Jones in 3rd/4th Prescott 5th/6th If any go in a different round I'll be surprised. This is how I have them graded.
Cardale had his own segment with Gruden? I would like to check that out. Cardale is intriguing, I wonder how much of Urban Meyers offense held him back from developing?
ESPN usually airs the Gruden episodes in high density in the couple days before the draft, I'm sure it'll be on at least 3 to 4 times if you really wanna see it
Who was the last physically gifted but raw QB prospect drafted beyond the 1st round to amount to anything? Off the top of my head, I can't think of one example. The success rate of QBs drafted or not drafted outside of the 1st round is extremely low. The very few that have made it have been of the anti-Cardale variety, limited physical traits, polished and having all the intangibles. As I've expressed before there's far less QB development going on in the NFL than in college. If you haven't already, I advise you to checkout Making of a Pro QB. It's a behind the scenes look of QB engineer George Withfield getting some of the QB prospects, including Cardale, Cook and others ready for their pro day. Cardale does not come across as a guy you would want to draft in that show IMO.
I think Cardale has a AMAZING arm, but lacks the intangibles at the next level. I'll have to check that program out. I can't remember the last physically gifted QB to be drafted to amount to anything after the 1st round, I agree. QBs need mentorship and coaches outside of the franchise IMO to truly progress. That's why to me the mental aspect is so important, the QBs that were subjected to the pro style offense in college are far ahead of the game. That's why there is a QB issue right now at the NFL level. Everyone wants to run the spread offense and put up points. Soon maybe the NFL will be a Spread Offense league, but not just yet.
This probably wouldn't be the most popular pick on this board, but I really think the Jets should pick Hackenberg at 20. He reminds me of Jay Cutler in a number of ways (in a good way). His footwork is top notch. His arm is really impressive. I think in the right offense (including ours), his accuracy wouldn't be a major concern. His biggest concern is getting the ball out quickly and avoiding sacks. I think Gailey could definitely coach him up on this - as seen this year with Fitzy. I think enough teams are high enough on him that he won't last much farther down than our pick. I wouldn't be terribly upset with Lynch, but I just don't see how he offers anything different from Petty.
Doesn't matter what late day, late round , late anything. A player like that is going to be what he is. You can't be methodical leading an offence in the NFL - QB's have to have the 'take the bull by the horns' approach. If not, he'll be eaten up alive.
Both Hack and Cutler are notorious for being lazy with their footwork and relying too much on their arm. He regressed when he went from a traditional pro-style offense as a freshman to one implementing Spread concepts his sophomore and junior seasons. Since Gailey's O is closer to the latter than the former, I don't see how our offense would be the "right offense" for him. Since we are on the topic, I always struggle with whether or not we should draft players that are currently the best schematic fit or just draft the BPA. Despite his struggles Hack is a tremendous talent and at some point in the draft he will be the best player on the board, do you pass on him for a lesser talent because he might not be the best fit?
If the Jets don't draft a QB this year, my guess is they see something special in Bryce Petty. Or, if they do they may cut ties with Geno. Either case, Petty will get some looks.
His footwork on his pro day/combine has been really impressive, which means that he has responded well to top notch qb coaching. Sure, our offense is a bit similar to a college type spread, but it is certainly more nuanced and less point and shoot as is similar in college. I think with Marshall, Decker, Powell, etc. to throw to, I think Hackenberg can definitely excel quickly. You have to believe that Bill O'brien's phone is ringing off the hook right now. O'brien is possibly the best qb coach in the NFL and could certainly tell teams if Hackenberg is worth a #1 draft pick.
Indeed he and Wentz had the most impressive pro days IMO but what does that really mean in the grand scheme of things? It wouldn't suck if we took Hack as a post Day 1 pick. He brings 1st round measurables and talent without any swirling questions (truthful or not) about his leadership and/or football acumen a la Cook and Cardale.
Pro Days are cute, but you can't put too much stock into it. The question is how will his footwork look under pressure? Will he revert back to bad fundamentals? What will his decision making be?
The Goff pick is marketing plus. The Rams were really likely to be looking at the big name from California all the way and they traded up to make sure it happened. What'll be interesting is to see how hard the Eagles try to trade back down now that Wentz is the name on their board. If they traded up for Goff they're going to be looking to sell now and get out of that slot.
I disagree. There's no way they'd get close to what they gave up to move up, and would look like total idiots for bailing. I think Wentz is the better prospect of the two, and if the Rams take Goff, they will actually be doing the Eagles a favor.
Bottom line is they like Goff over Wentz. The Philly thing is less reliable to me. If they didn't like Wentz too before the trade then they don't know what the fuck they're doing
the jets should do whatever it takes to get lynch..they have nothing to lose..they will be a middling team forever without a decent qb and maybe he will be better than that, they certainly won't be winning any superbowls anytime soon if they take an ot or middle linebacker in the first round instead
