I like the thinking outside the box on this one. I think the Bengals would have to throw a 3rd or 4th round pick in as well. I think the Bengals are getting too much. Moving up three spots and a starter for an unknown quantity the Jets would still need a little more. I like McCarron and what I saw when he started those few games but is he a flash in the pan Scott Mitchell type? He'd be better than what we have.
Well the differences don't end there. The Seahawks actually had a plan that went far beyond "pick up vet free agents and trade for doghouse stars to cover for our draft ineptitude". The Jets unfortunately don't.
Well, yeah, I guess I should've said, "...you will get a difference-maker @ #6 IF you have a GM and scouting dept. that knows what they're doing".
2008 was just a total landmine waiting to happen for the Jets at #6. They needed the outside rusher and Gholston was seen as a good rush prospect. The three guys taken right after Gholston were all busts also, Sedrick Ellis, Derrick Harvey and Keith Rivers - two of them also outside rushers. The three guys who made it, taken from 10 to 13 were Jerod Mayo, an ILB not on the Jets list the year after drafting David Harris, Ryan Clady, whose injury-based career disintegration the Jets are now part of and Johnathan Stewart a good RB who has reached 1,000 yards ONCE in his career. It was just a field full of landmines and barring getting off the 6 and into safer territory the Jets were very likely to step on one of them, which they did.
So drafting for "need" at #6 was definitely a landmine. In other words, if they had drafted for BPA at #6, they might've done much better. Or, as you suggested, if the BPA really wasn't someone that could upgrade their particular team, they should've traded down. That makes sense. But, I wouldn't say that this is a strategy that should be followed blindly every year. I think it depends on your current roster and needs, as well as who is available in the draft. And of course, the "wild card" in all of this is how the Jets have decided what their needs are and who they believe are the best players to fill those needs. So trying to figure out what a team should do can't be boiled down to a set formula, like "Always trade down", or "Always take the BPA". If I had to use a general rule like that it would be: "Always compare the BPA to the highest need you have at that pick and then decide which will help your team more". I wonder if in 2008, the Jets had decided that instead of favoring "D", as they always seem to do, which "drove" them to decide that a pass rusher was their primary "need", what if they had figured out that a 39 year old QB who wasn't fully healthy wasn't going to be their "QB of the Future", and drafted Flacco? In hindsight they could've employed the "trading down strategy", with the "Need", and the "BPA", and come up smelling like roses. But of course that's only with 20-20 hindsight. How could they be sure that Flacco would be there when they picked? And that's the same problem this time around.
Johnathan Stewart could have come in here and been a beast. Instead of splitting reps his whole career in Carolina, he could have come to a Jets team that was about to go into Ground-N-Pound mode. Imagine having him instead of Shonn Greene to first split with, then take over for, Thomas Jones. Hell, the Jets might have won some football games.
You're looking at it in hindsight. Ellis and Rivers were seen as very good prospects. I'm still surprised they were busts. Stewart has had a lot of injuries that have curtailed him, plus he was in a rotation with DeAngelo Williams. Clady was an All Pro and had some very good years until injuries derailed his career. If he had come here he may never have suffered those injuries. Of course the Jets had Brick, so Clady would have been an unnecessary pick unless they had played him at RT. I was afraid of Gholston. I wanted Darren McFadden. I wanted a speedy RB who could score from anywhere on the field.
Again, if the Jets had taken Ellis and Rivers (or Harvey) no difference at all in the end result. The 6 pick in 2008 was a bust waiting to happen. To get out of the landmine the Jets would have needed a professional scouting/evaluation system equivalent to the Steelers - something that very few other teams have. They'd have had to be willing to go against the NFL evaluations and draft a Bud Dupree or Artie Burns just because their evaluators liked that player and though he fit into what they were trying to do. They'd have had to have a talent squad like the Ravens that were willing to take a Joe Flacco at QB in the 1st round because they saw him fitting what they were trying to do. They'd have had to do these things and also be right because being wrong in NYC will kill you in a big city moment.
If the Jets decided to trade Richardson for McCarron they should be able to get back at least a 4th round pick alongside McCarron in the deal. Really they should be able to get back a 2nd round pick but Richardson has deep-sixed his trade value enough that it's unlikely they can get full return in a trade. If the Jets were run by Belichik they'd figure out where Richardson least wanted to go and swing a deal there as an example to everybody else of what happens when you rebel to the extent that Richardson has.
That obviously would be better as would doing a one for one and us getting a pick. I just think that our opinion of Sheldon may be higher than the markets. My suggestion was a way for us not to lose a pick when we need all we can and I am not sure for us there is a huge difference in 6 vs 9 player wise. I really wonder if Fournette can't be healthy for 12 games how he will do for 16+. Without a QB, the plus games I don't see happening. To respond to an earlier poster, I am not suggesting McCarron because he is from Bama. The two young QBs who need to be moved before they can walk (and have a stable QB in front of them) are M and Garrapollo who NE has put a price of a first rounder which I wouldn't pay. (They prob wouldn't trade with us anyway.) If there is someone else out there lets hear it, it is a forum after all.
There's actually nothing absurd about it. The Jets are very thin on talent almost everywhere on the roster. Where's your choice to start rebuilding the team?? The point is you could start almost anywhere, given the fact that this team needs so much. Hell, if Trubisky were to be available at 6, I think Mac has to take him. It's a huge gamble, I know, but are you ready to see him go 1 pick later and become a 15 year starter? And I know he would not be protected well at all, but once again are you going to pass him up just because you don't think you can protect him properly? THAT would be even more absurd....
This. I can't even imagine a day when the Jets become like the Steelers or Packers and can just use five or six draft picks a year on depth guys. The Jets need to do the impossible and find a way to hit on 150% of their picks for each of the next 3 or 4 drafts. The only way I can see making that add up is to either trade down in the draft, collecting more picks while still somehow drafting stars, or trade away current talent for draft picks, then somehow ensure those picks are more talented than the guys they traded away. I suppose they could do some combination of the two. What they can't keep doing is trading up in the draft, bringing in prime FAs, and wasting cap space on declining old farts that can't play up to their contracts. Those are the reasons this roster has the least depth in the league. At least the Browns and Jaguars have some competition between their shitty starters and their shitty backups. The Jets have former superstars who are still way better than their shitty backups--so there is no competition at all. How does that make the team better?
Oh god. If that dude played to even half his potential we probably beat Peyton and the colts and get a super bowl. Why can't we have a pass rusher ?! At least maudlin we only wasted a third on ....
i think he meant that it is absurd that you think a team would give up an all pro lt or rt for sheldon.
Screw McCarron. Get me Cousins. 28 years old and has 8 years left in him. Fill the rest of the roster with vets and draft picks. GMs make their money with later round picks so lets see what Mac can do. 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders on OL and some secondary. QB is the most important position in sports - I believe Cousins is that guy.
