Realistically, we were ok certain positions which is why we didn't draft offense early all that often in the past 10 years. At QB we had Pennington, then Favre, then we blew a pick on Mark. We clearly try to address the QB position when need be. At WR we had Coles and Moss. Cant remember many others between them, but clearly Tanny tried to address this with Braylon and Santonio. At RB we had Martin, then Thomas Jones, then drafted Greene and had LT. When we have drafted early lately (Greene/Sanchez) we've missed. I was hoping we'd grab a RB early last year, even though it wasn't our biggest need. I do agree that it seems like we never have playmakers on offense outside of when we had Martin.
we have the worst gm in the league period. he knows nothing about football. and as a bean counter he is equally as bad
Since Terry Bradway became GM and then Personnel guru the Jets have not drafted a single impact player at RB, QB or a dominant pass rusher. This is true despite the fact that they have had 12 1st round picks to get one of the above. They have drafted one WR who made an impact in Santana Moss. They were forced to trade him because he did not fit the team's desired offensive scheme. In other words all the things that make good teams tick have been absent on the Jets. That more than anything else is why the Jets have not been able to make the move upwards. Some things are fundamental and for the Jets the fundamental thing is they do not draft players who turn out to make an impact at the game's most important positions. That just is what it is.
The Johnsons were both top 3 picks, and Spiller was top 10. Is it fair, or make sense, to criticize that we didn't get those players because we weren't a 12 loss team? Steve Smith was drafted in '01, the same year we drafted Moss.
The point is that our drafting has sucked in the last decade, especially in terms of offensive skill position talent. It just shows, in order for us to find someone decent, we have to trade multiple draft picks for them and then a year later either let them walk or give them a huge contract.
I feel like QB, RB, and a pass rusher are also 3 of the most important skill positions in football currently so that just doubles down on the hurt of not getting those. And it's not for a lack of trying.
WOW..!!! a truly unimpressive list of futility right there. How can one franchise be so awful for so long? The owners have changed, the management have changed, the philosophy I sure has changed repeatedly over the years, and yet, the results are consistently the same. It has to be just plain bad luck! This cannot be all because of incompetence. I mean, when else has a franchise had 4 first round picks and used them all in the first round of the same draft with nothing to show for it. John Abraham could well end up being a SB champion this year, which would certainly add the seal to that chapter of Jets history. Unbelievable!
Well it just so happens that the 3 of the 4 he names were drafted there. Chris Johnson, Hakeem Nicks, Harvin Doug Martin, Dez Bryant, Roddy White, Demaryius Thomas and Marshawn Lynch were drafted in the 1st after pick 10. McCoy, Forte, MJD, Rice, Gronkowski, Greg Jennings, Vincent Jackson and Randall Cobb in the 2nd. Jamaal Charles, Brandon Marshall, Jimmy Graham, Colston, Cruz, Foster and Mike Wallace from 3rd round on. So to say the least, we've been in position to draft many of these players.
How many wasted later round picks do we have? Has anyone done a comparison with the rest of the league? How many of our 3-7th rounders are cut compared to league average? I think this is where we're really getting killed, we seem to strike out on every later round pick, rarely find that diamond in the rough.
Does everyone remember when Belichek was a defensive guru and the most unbelievable defensive mind in football since lava lamps were introduced? What is he now? And Offensive genius because his defense was leaking more than a colander until the 2nd half of this year and he got super lucky at the QB position thanks to Mo Green. Before blowing Rex up, setting our D back another 2 or 3 years, and changing the entire philosophy of the team, why don't we see if Rex can follow that migration path. Yes - Rex is a defensive guru who has not really pulled his weight with the Offensive side of the ball. Can we let him work with a decent OC before we call it quits? The lame duck, and change coaches shit is ridiculous.
Fixed that for you. And for the record, the Pats drafted Brady very late, why does BB never receive credit for that? I mean, he got lucky that particular year because Lewis crushed Bledsoe but they wanted Bledsoe out and would have found a way. So, he got lucky one time, and if you think he wouldn't have recognized that he had a franchise QB sitting there, you're crazy. Enough already.
It's only bad if you ignore the good picks and purposely focus on the bad. These will be round 1-4 picks only since most teams miss on later picks, and also didn't count 2012 since it's way too early. Good picks since 2005: Pou'ha, Rhodes, Ferguson, Leon Washington, Mangold, Brad Smith, Revis, Harris, Keller, Powell, Kerley (round 5), Wilkerson Bad picks since 2005: Gholston, Clemens, Nugent, Sanchez, Ducasse Mediocre picks: Greene, Lowery, Eric Smith, Kyle Wilson (tempted to list him as good now), Mcknight, Connor, Slauson Good picks: 12 Bad picks: 5 Mediocre picks: 7 How can you call that a case of bad drafting over the last decade or so? I see more good than bad or mediocre. I guess you'd disagree about Keller, but he is mediocre pick at worst. No way you put him with the bad, considering he was leading receiver in back to back years. Can we please kill the myth of bad drafting? It's simply not true, and I bet if you compared this good vs bad with other teams in the league, you'd find most have a similar success record. I mean hitting with 50% of your early draft picks is good, right?
your good picks are relative to the Jets roster really, not the overall NFL. I would say since there are 32 NFL teams, if you are comparing our players listed to other NFL teams players at the same position, I doubt ours grade out as "good". They might end up all being average (the ones rated good here) Certainly, the Jets roster is not the worst in the 32 team league, but it is not in the to 10 obviously. If we think of a scale along the order of excellent, very good, good, average, poor and awful. It might pan out similar to the NFL power rankings, of which, the Jets were near the bottom of that list.
Stop. I can name at least 10 GMs who are worse than Tanny. Tanny is the worst GM in the league that he fielded a team that went to the playoffs in 3 of the 7 years he was GM? IMO he made his bed and deserved to be canned with the crippling moves he made over the past couple years, but to say he was the worst GM in the league is nothing short of asinine.
Jesus Christ, this entire thread isnt about our drafting of the entire team, its about the complete inability to draft playmakers on offense. And as for your post, Keller hasnt lived up to a 1st round pick, and will be gone after his rookie contract. Powell is nothing special and Im not sure how you consider that a good pick. He's a backup at best that can split some carries- same thing we've been saying with Greene the last two years. Rhodes, Smith and Washington are no longer on the team so there arent helping us anymore... And as for those mediocre picks, they are all bad picks. They are just mediocre relative to the Jets. Eric Smith is nothing more than a role player, same with Lowery, McKnight and even our first round pick in Wilson who has definitely not lived up to his draft spot. How can you put John Connor on there when he's not even on an NFL roster???
The other thing about that rookie list is it is incomplete. He's got 24 players listed since 2005 but the Jets have made 49 picks over that span.
