Pros and Cons from Sunday:Week1

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Geez, you both read too much into it and ignored THE FACT that the ball was thrown behind the Bills receiver, right into Wilson's numbers. Wilson was just following the receiver. It is neither more nor less than it was. Nothing controversial here. Are you related to Kyle or something?
     
  2. BrowningNagle

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    I don't really see any cons, unless I'm trying to nitpick.

    Sure Spiller had a day but a lot of it was in garbage time. I think some of it had to do with the big lead and being in prevent, pass defenses because they knew Buffalo was going to have to open it up to attempt a comeback. Spiller is also a very good running back that was able to take advantage of all that real estate.

    Earlier in the game they were bringing the safeties up to stop the run and daring Fitzpatrick to pass, they were incredibly effective. They were stuffing the run and Fitzpatrick was just falling right in line, giving the ball to the DBs. Had the Jets not built a big lead, I bet they stay in that D most of the game and its a similar game to last year's 27-11 game where they shut down the Bills offense.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    Good point. Special teams were close to flawless.
     
  4. Big Blocker

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    I generally agree. For example, some are criticizing Greene. I am not a Greene fan, but it was just one game and I think Buffalo was emphasizing the run D. But... he did put the ball on the ground, twice.

    If you were looking for anything to criticize, I suppose that would top the list.
     
  5. BrowningNagle

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    Yes I suppose you could find fault with Greene. Putting the ball on the ground is never good.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here but I actually thought he ran pretty well, better than last year anyway. I think it was the second quarter and he busted up the middle for a 10-12 yard run or so and he exhibited stuff we hadn't seen from him since '09. He found a crease, ran with a nice downhill burst, broke a couple tackles and fell forward. I was thinking damn I wish he could run like that all the time. He also had a nice ran later in the game too. But you are right, he has to hold onto the ball better, thankfully it didnt hurt though.

    Digressing a little, even though as a fan I find no real cons I'm sure the staff will find some this week because that's what coaches have to do to make the team better. They will probably point to the running game (Off and Def), the taking the foot off the gas, and the pass rush only because you can always improve. But really as just a casual observer, I have to say it was an about perfect way to open the season.
     
  6. Barcs

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    The only bad thing to take from that game was the run defense. I know one of those long runs was a hold, but all in all we need to be better up front with run stuffing. When Pou'ha returns next week this will help a lot. Landry looked good for the most part but did have a couple whiffs. It wasn't such a big deal yesterday because we were dominating in points, but in the future, I don't want to see 28 points hung on our defense like that. All TDs. That won't cut it against tougher defenses like Pittsburgh.

    The shovel pass to Cumberland was just a weird play. I don't even know what to make of it. Was that the plan all along or was it just a last second force. I don't think Cumberland expected that either.

    The Greene fumble was BAD. Greene's been pretty good protecting the ball the last few years, so I'll dismiss that as a fluke. He didn't even get hit, just lost concentration. I still think people are being too hard on Greene.
     
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    I agree with you here. While fumbling is never a good thing, and I am skeptical of Greene, you can't take too much away from one game. In addition to it looking like the overall Buff D was shading to defend the run, it is also true they have an excellent DL for run D. The fumbles were a concern, and Greene may well have problems down the road, but the lack of better production against Buffalo should not be overblown.
     
  8. The 1985er

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    My only con was not being able to stop the run.
     
  9. Duck

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    Holy crap

    We threw the ball to the wide receivers! From Heimerdinger to hacket to Schotty it was Dink, dunk and dump it off to the rb. Finally, we actually looked like a real offense
     
  10. deerow84

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    Pro: passing game in general, special teams, secondary for the most part
    Con: run game in general, pass rush and run defense

    Biggest play: Kerly kick return for TD
    Worst play: Not stopping that long CJ Spiller TD run

    I also thought Holmes played pretty well, he made that beautiful catch in the endzone and was a half a second too early putting the hand down to brace himself. Otherwise that's probably the best TD catch of the week. He was seeing a lot of double coverage too so while his numbers may not have been the best drawing the coverage is what helped free up space for Hill, Kerly, etc.
     
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    Tough to criticize the pass rush with the way the Bills run their offense. Fitz gets the ball out very quickly, but even with that we hit him a bunch of times.
     
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    This....

    and i will chalk that up to the talent of spiller and the less than stellar play, at times, at linebacker, excluding harris.
     
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    The positives are all there.

    But if we still can't cover the Scott Chandlers of the NFL, what kind of damage will Hernandez, Gronkowski, and Vernon Davis do against our secondary?
     
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    This is something for concern.
    I was under the impression that bad TE coverage was a little bit of the reason we drafted Demario Davis.
     
  15. mezzavo

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    And This, as well. You are right...where was Demario Davis. Even as a rook he has his speed at his disposal.

    That was my only con...the middle of the defense. I'll give Spiller the one run as he is a talented and fast as hell back. But not two. The TE heavy teams are going to strip us raw if we do NOT get that fixed...and fast.

    Overall a fabulous outing from our guys and I was very pleasantly surprised!
     
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    I agree. I wouldn't say the pass rush was bad. Just that Fitz is mobile and good at avoiding sacks. He was definitely under pressure many times, and our CBs cleaned up when he forced it.
     
  17. BigGreenUgly

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    I agree if we had things to nitpick about it was indeed lack of pass rush and horrible rush defense. We'll see if this result was more about Buffalo when we go into Pittsburgh this Sunday.
     
  18. mj2sexay

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    Lack of a pass rush still worries me. Remember though, the whole point of that offense is quick timing routes which necessitates Fitzpatrick getting rid of the ball ASAP. O-Line of Buffalo is also much improved.

    I thought in the late 3rd it would've been nice to have Tebow throw a pass out of the wildcat if only to put the scare into teams that Tebow can go vertical out of that formation. Then again, if Sanchez plays as well as he did, Timmy's going to be riding the pine a lot more then even the Jets themselves expected.

    I also had a problem with them going to the wildcat after Sanchez completed a 17 yard pass to Kerley. Pick a better spot then pulling your QB as he's establishing his rhythm please.
     
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    I had hoped for more production out of the jesuscat and I thought the D in the second half looked a little sloppy like they knew they didn't have to try as hard because there was no way they could lose. That's a bad attitude for players to have in any game at any time.
     
  20. Imagesrdecieving

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    Maybe I am mis-remembering but it seemed to me like Wilson had to dive for the pick.

    Outside of the top echelon of CB's for the most part good coverage is being close enough that the QB has to make a good throw to get the completion. Fitz's pass may have been a little behind the receiver - but not to the extent you are making it seem.
     

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