If you have watched the games or the highlights you would not be asking for stats, you can clearly see the ball traveling 20 or more yards into the right teams receivers hands, way more for the phins then it has for us. I never said nobody should have been excited, but to say Chad can't throw when he has been doing so fine all year is just stupid! Does he have a cannon, hell no but what good is Favre's cannon doing us right now? Of course it's the coaches fault except last year Chad had the same coaches but he does not get that benefit. How exactly does that work? Plus Favre has way more to work with this year, does he not? While Chad went to a 1-15 team and is doing more with less on the field. So I guess the guy who has never gotten us anywhere and lays down to give a Jets record away gets the benefit of the doubt over a guy who laid it all on the line for us and did the best he could do. Makes allot of sense, but I guess that's Chad-Love, not Jets-Love right?
Did we all watch the same Jets/Pittsburgh game? I think Pennington had like 175 yards and 0 td's and 1 int. I think our only TD's came off a Moss punt return for a TD and an INT return for a TD. The final was 20-17. Thats 14 points not related to the offense. If you think he's not PART of the blame for that game, your nuts.
Chad was entering a more familiar situation, though. Dan Henning was the offensive coordinator of the Jets during his rookie year so he at least had a base of knowledge with his new offense.
Yup he was playing with a torn rotator cuff. So are you saying that if they hit the two missed field goals they would have lost anyway? Look what's done is done, I was not arguing what happened in the past, as for this year the belief that Chad can't throw is ridiculous, which is what I responded to in the first place. I guess because it's so obvious those claims are absurd, the only way to counter them is to bring up games in the past or claim Chad-Love. How about you try focusing on the garbage we have seen at QB the last 4 weeks, and the fact that we are looking up a Chad the pitiful and the 1-15 dolphins of last season.
My my, so what is your point exactly -- that Chad throws a better deep ball than Eli or Brett? Signing Favre was the right move. It's easy to look at Chad's numbers this year compared to Favre's and say that: Chad is having the better statistical season, therefore we'd be better off with him. But that is a facile and stupid analogy. We were going NOWHERE with Chad. He had his chances and failed time after time. Nice how you mention the torn rotator cuff(s). Chad is brittle, and played a full 16-game season exactly ONCE in his storied Jets career. If you think he's going to win a Super Bowl with Miami, this season or any other season -- because that's all the really matters, in the end, to me at least -- I think it's hilarious that you think I'm the one with his "head up his ass".... I don't blame Favre for the last 3 losses, just like I don't give him sole credit for the big wins over TENN or NE. Watch the games, you might learn something. Chad's floaters are not going to get it done in the playoffs. I don't care how high his QB rating is, or how few INT's he throws.
No sherlock, I responded to a post saying Chad can't throw. How can that be if he has completed more 20+ completions then both Eli and Brett. Perhaps you should ask the clowns who say Chad can't throw what their takes on Eli and Brett are. But why waste your time, they are just blind to anything not Chad related and they call others obsessed. Whatever don't let the facts get in the way of your story carry on in blindfold land, where Brett's 40 QB ratings and league leading interceptions are more impressive. And your head must be up your A$$ because I never said any such thing regarding any of the dribble you just posted. AGAIN FOR THE THICK IGNORANT AND INCOMPREHENSIBLE, I RESPONDED TO A POST THAT CHAD CAN'T THROW, YOU SEEM TO AGREE MAYBE YOU SHOULD WATCH THE GAMES!!! HE IS COMPLETING MORE 20+ PASSES IN THE AIR THAN ROCKET ARM BRETT, BUT HE CAN'T THROW. PLEASE TELL ME HOW THIS CAN BEE WITHOUT GOING BACK IN TIME FOR A CHANGE. I KNOW I GUESS HE SHOULD BE UNDER OR BEHIND HIS RECEIVERS MORE TO LOOK LIKE THE LEGEND WE HAVE BEHIND CENTER! And since winning the Super bowl is all that matters, let me know how Brett's doing in that category, we don't even control our way into the playoffs.
That stat is meaningless. Do you even watch the games?? Or do you simply look up statistics to cite in support your In-Chad-We-Trust wisdom? There are a lot of throws which a Good NFL QB can make -- certainly a championship caliber one -- which Chad could not make in his wildest dreams. I loved Chad when he played for us, but the reality is the man gets more hang time on a 10-yard out pattern than Sean Landeta punting in his prime. The team has moved on, so why can't you??
Listen I never said Chad can make all the throws, I know he does not have a strong arm, never did I say anything to the contrary. Try reading my posts, because what you come back with has nothing to do with what I am saying or responding to. And regardless of what you just said about hang time, what does it matter if he is completing them??? Yes I watch the games and Chad has completed more passes that traveled 20+ yards in the air then our boy Brett. If the stats are meaningless how come they are totaling more wins, less picks, and how come he is completing more 20+ yard in the air passes with less on the field. Stats are meaningless, he can't throw, I don't care how many more 20+ yard passes he completes, PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!!! I have totally moved on, you don't see me starting these threads, but just because I moved on does not mean I should be ignorant and stupid enough not to respond to a post saying Chad can't throw when he is doing a better job at it then anyone on the Jets. All I posted about was this season, you on the other hand have gone back years with all your posts, none of which had anything to do with what I had posted in the first place, and you tell me to move on. Makes perfect sense, for where your heads at. Why worry about facts, the super bowl is all that matters, except when it comes to Favre not having us in control of our playoff destiny, then everything changes. Get back to be when you have one standard, and talk out of one side of you mouth, having you just avoid the content of my posts and come back with stuff I never even said or questioned is quite pointless. I can have better interaction with my walls.
What doesn't make sense is comparing 2 QB's based on numbers alone and ignoring everything else on the field. I'd be the first to admit that Chad's having a great year, the best of his career I believe. But do you think maybe that has something to do with their offensive scheme, their coordinator, playbook, playcalling, and the success of their run game? Dan Henning has done a brilliant job of tailoring the offense to Chad's strengths and away from situations which might expose his lack of arm strength, mobility and creativity. As a Jet fan, can you honestly say that the coaching staff has done a good job this year, particularly offensively? It's hard to hit receivers for big gains when nobody's open. It's hard to get anything done when it seems like the Defense knows what you're going to run before you snap the ball. It would certainly help Brett's cause if Cotchery or Coles or somebody could get open once in a while...
I agree. The biggest part of the blame goes to being outcoached and not having the team firing on all cylinders on Sundays.
Listen, again I never said anything to the contrary, I watch the games try being objective you might learn something! I'll try and explain this to you again, I responded to a post saying Chad can't throw, yet he is doing a fine job at throwing the ball this year. The funny thing about what you just posted is, last season Chad had the same coaches, and less help on the field yet he did not get credited for that hit. But Brett Favre who is QB royalty and has done squat for the Jets in comparison to Chad gets this benefit. That is a JOKE in my book, you want to say Favre suffered because of coaching even though he has more to work with. But Chad sucked and that was the problem last year, even though he had less to work with and is way less physically gifted then Favre. SORRY BUT THAT JUST DON'T FLY WITH ME!!! If you are going to give Favre the break, than Chad deserved it too, and it's obvious that he does not suck with his performance this year with a team that was 1-15. I have no problem with most of what is said about this whole thing, but I just can't sit quiet on such blatant and idiotic bull sh*t. AGAIN GET BACK TO ME WHEN YOU DROP THE DOUBLE STANDARD AND CAN ADDRESS WHAT I ACTUALLY DID SAY FROM ONE SIDE OF YOUR MOUTH! You are the one preaching the super bowl is all that matters, not EXCUSES or FACTS and STATS, so why are you not holding Favre to the same fire. Don't worry I know why, let's just leave it at that, you can't and just won't call a spade a spade here. I'm used to it, most forums are filled with this garbage.
Jade Green... all I have to say is you are quite the debater and you had me convinced after your first entry. I hardly ever get involved in these threads, preferring to read and learn, but I have to commend you on how you have stated your case... over and over again (since apparently no one can read). Thanks for the entertainment.
Why does everyone keep bringing up that Miami is such a bad team. They clearly are not. "Chad is doing more with less". What does that even mean? Who's defense would you rather have? Honestly? Great coaching can make up for "less" talent just like bad coaching can destroy talent. And overall, do you think keeping Chad would have led to a Super Bowl down the line? Honestly? That is all that matters. We took a risk with Favre. It was a risk but high reward. Would I rather have given this a shot than be stuck with "almost" a contender for the next 5 years. Of course. AND the season is not even over. If the Jets beat the Dolphins on Sunday. Mighty Chad and the Dolphins will have lost twice to the 29th ranked pass defense in the league. There's QB's and then there are Super Bowl winning QB's. Unless you have an unbelievable defense - ala the Ravens. In this era, you need a special QB or a really good defense. IMO Chad isn't that guy. Maybe he will prove me wrong someday, I doubt it, but maybe. As of now he has shown me no signs that he is able to be "that" guy. We took a risk, big f'n deal. AND the season isn't even over yet.
I agree, and I never said anything to the contrary but, none of this means that Chad can't throw which is all I responded to in the first place. And it's funny how most everyone here can say that Chad was not the guy to lead us, but can't say the Favre has not looked like the guy either. When I said "Chad is doing more with less" I was referring to the offense, and I said many times in this thread "on the field." I guess I should not take it for granted that someone would read all of a person's posts be fore responding, and I should have posted "on the field" each and every time. Sorry, that's my bad, and I'm not sure how I could make that mistake considering how people respond to you with all kinds of gibberish that has nothing to do with what I posted in the first place. But if you think that the phins have more to work with on the offensive field then the Jets, I guess that's fine but I would have to disagree. Look I hope to God Favre and the Jets turn it around get in and go all the way, but it does not look promising. Just as it has nothing to do with me responding to some one saying Chad can't throw when he is doing a fine job at it this year. Nor does it cause me to make excuses for Brett when Chad got none working with the same coaches and WAY LESS on the offensive side of the ball.
I agree with that, too. :lol: The OL was horrible last year, and the defense couldnt stop the run if their lives depended on it. I dont blame last year on Chad, though he had his awful moments, just as I dont blame this year on Favre, though he had some awful moments, too. And looking back on 2006, a major reason for the team's surprising success was Chad's comeback player of the year season.
I'm glad you were entertained, and believe me most of the time I do not respond either, as you can see it's just not worth it, people just twist what you mean and ignore what you say. It's sad, but typical. I guess that's how you have to look at it, since once some reads the name Chad they go off on a love tangent, question your fan hood, or start accusing you of saying all sorts of things you never even mentioned. It's either see it as entertainment, or realize just how sad it really is. :breakdance:
If our coaching staff is holding us back now with Favre, how did we go 10-6 amd make the playoffs with them in 2006? Our awesome running game?
At the end of the Day no matter who makes the playoffs Chad and Farve will both be one and done first round playoff losers. Farve is finished and we have a coach who has not gotten a deep reciever or designed plays to his stregnths. Chad would not get this team out of the first round either but as much as I hated him as our Qb he actually played well this year.
This my very well be true, but you can only speculate either way on what Chad would have done here. We will know for sure what the outcome with Favre will be, of course this is just too radical of a thought for some here to comprehend or admit. :breakdance: I hope Favre makes Chad and the phins look silly this week, (Lord knows it's long over due!) and takes this team much farer than any of us can imagine right now, but I'd say 1 and done if we even get in is more like it. Nobody was every happy with that and bashed Chad for it, let's not forget to throw Favre a parade and give him the key to the city if he comes up even or even short.
