Potential Coaching Candidates thread

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  1. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

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    I just want an offensive minded coach. Ideally I would like for that HC to have coached already but I am ok if we go the coordinator rout like Scott Lenihan. But ultimately, I think its most important that we have the GM conduct the search, no advisors, or anything like that, let the GM do his job.
     
  2. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Do you want Macc to be that GM?
     
  3. He's quirky no doubt..but he's been successful everywhere he's been,he's knowledgeable on both sides of the ball but his foundation is in offense & he's had a good OL everywhere he's been.Hes also got a pretty good eye for talent.

    Notre dame is a tough place to win w the academics,despite that he's given them more stability than they've had in quite awhile(this coming from a Sparty fan). It's more about his skillset & personality than so his accolades or achievements.

    On top of that he wouldn't take crap from Manish,he holds everyone accountable & knows how to build something from the ground up.

    My one concern if he's too much of a dictator like Sabine,Petrillo,& Schiano were amongst others.

    I don't question his football knowledge,game management or eye for talent.
     
  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Would you rather it be another novice GM if we can't hire Dorsey?
     
  5. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

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    No. He hasn't done an awful job, but he hasn't done enough to transform this team. I ask myself what's so different from when he got on board and now and quite honestly, not much. We have gaping holes all over our roster. Our linebacker, corners, WR's, QB. The way he's given out free agent contracts does not make me feel confident he will be able to target the right players, nor do I want him to pick our future QB. Picking Adams and Leonard Williams was a no brainer at the point they were picked, but QB is a whole different animal.

    I would prefer we either get a head of football ops, or John Dorsey as GM. Let whoever it is run the search for GM, or a HC depending on if we do get a head of football ops, and get rid of players who haven't done anything for us lately.

    Pick the QB in the first round and surround that QB with either o-line help in the 2nd round, or through free agency. I want the jets to surround the QB with talent and help. Transitioning is hard enough so it's important to make that transition as seamless as possible.
     
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    I'd rather someone better than Macc. For me that all but means a GM with previous experience. Dorsey is my favorite by a large margin.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

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    I'd love to add Dorsey either as Team President or GM, but I'm not holding my breath on that happening. A novice GM would most likely not be any better than Mac, and could be a lot worse. Think Sparano and Mornhinweg after Schottenheimer quit.
     
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    You've summed up my thoughts completely.
     
  9. jets12

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    I agree we need to hire head of football operations right now and a guy like Payton Manning would be perfect. He will follow in the same footsteps as John Elway did and he lives and dies with football and has already laid the groundwork by spending time this off season and during training camps observing the most successful franchises to see how they do it.

    Woody would never do it but he would be ideal.
     
  10. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    I understand that, but let's say they keep Macc and fire Bowles, and they bring in a great HC who has a clear idea of what he wants his team to be like - do you trust Macc to give him what he asks for? I foresee problems there.
     
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    He seems to have given the clueless Bowles what he wants, why wouldn't he give a quality HC what he wants?

    I have some doubts to be sure, but I trust Mac more than I would a novice GM.
     
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    That's a great idea! I still favor Dorsey, but Peyton Manning would be a really fresh idea.
     
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    We actually don't know that. For all we know he's been operating on his own plan.
     
  14. NCJetsfan

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    That's why I said "seems." Besides, if we were to hire a top quality HC, he might demand that he gets a LOT of input in whom the team drafts.
     
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    Too bad this won't happen because I'd be ecstatic.
     
  16. Jeti

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    Even if the new Head Coach isn't offensive I'm hoping he has a enough cache to get a top offensive mind to work with our Quarterback.

    Say Dave Toub finally got a job and it was with us, I'd have faith in him getting a top offensive mind and making sure this team plays with fire, passion and disciplined football in all 3 phases.

    Dorsey/Toub/Darnold 2018
     
  17. Jonathan_Vilma

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    The offense honestly hasn't been that bad. They're not producing at some awesome clip but we haven't turned the ball over.

    We ran for 126 yards today on 25 carries (5.04 yards per carry). McCown was efficient at 17/25 (72%) although he only threw for 166 yards. We held the ball for 28 minutes to the Raiders controlling the ball for 31 minutes.

    It was a little less balanced at 33 minutes for the Bills to 26 minutes for the Jets. That's still not an eye popping disparity.

    There was no "the defense was out there all day they must've been exhausted bullshit."

    The defense is horrible. The head coach is supposed to be a defensive specialist.

    If the strength of this team is supposed to be the defense and the defensive line in particular sporting two first round picks, they need to be a thousand times better than they've been if the offense is not turning the ball over.

    If McCown was out there throwing picks, the receivers dropping balls, runningbacks fumbling, etc. then I would say okay the defense really isn't getting any help. Both of these losses are primarily on the defense.

    Bowles has to go. So does Maccagnan thinking that he could roll into the god damn season with Darron Lee and DeMario Davis at inside backer.

    I can't see us promoting a coach that sports an offense that will likely be in the bottom five of the league, but I actually like what I've seen out of John Morton's offense. There's some creativity there, and seems to be some balance. The offensive line was much better run blocking today, and held up good in pass protection until we were down and in pass every play mode.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I will say that I absolutely hated the fact that our fans needed to put up a stupid billboard campaign to get someone fired.

    But if that needs to be done to get Bowles and Maccagnan canned then we need to do so again. We knew they were going to be bad this year and tank. But the way the players Maccagnan drafted have performed and the way Bowles defense is performing, it's a joke.

    We have two top 40 picks spent on safeties, two first rounders on the defensive line and a first round inside linebacker. That alone would lead one to believe that the defense is built to perform with the strength up the middle of the defense. It's the largest weakness on this roster.

    Who started the billboard? Let's give those goons a call so that these clowns are fired this year.
     
  19. JetBlue

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    Who do you think will be hiring the coach when Bowles is gone? Mac.

    Why would Mac hire a coach who would be looking for types of players Mac wouldn't be interested in getting? Any coach that has a different philosophy than Mac isn't getting hired to begin with.
     
  20. ColoradoContrails

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    That's what I was getting at.

    Maybe...and it's a BIG maybe...Macc isn't the problem. But he sure is part of the problem. The weed needs to be ripped out, root and branch. Do the rebuild as it should've been done 3 years ago. If not, fuck this team.
     
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