No, he really didn't. He missed the better part of 3 games in 2010 with a hammy caused by his lack of conditioning and then he missed most of 2012 with the knee injury. The Jets got 34 starts out of him from 2010 to 2012 including playoffs for $40M in cash. On a per game basis that's $18.8M a season. Now he's asking for the Jets to pay through the nose for more of this 'magic' moving forward.
Give me a break Bradway. Revis definetely earned his pay. The knee injury this season was a freak injury that could happen to most anyone. You can't hold that against him. It's not like he's injury prone or can't play through pain. About the only thing you can hold against him is the 3 games in 2010 because he wasn't in top shape from holding out. But that's only 3 games in his career. He finished that season strong and was a major reason why the team was on the edge of the superbowl. It's almost as if you are trying to make yourself feel better about trading Revis in any way possible or something. He's earned his pay over the years more than anyone on this entire Jets roster - if that's not obvious I don't know what is. You don't know exactly what Revis is demanding to make claims that he's asking to be paid through the nose. The only thing we can say is that he probably wants to be paid like a top player in this league and he IS a top player in this league.. just because the Jets aren't willing to pay him, doesn't mean he isn't worth it. And considering the Jets track record over the years of opting to trade top players instead of paying them: Abraham, Keyshawn, Hugh Douglas, etc... maybe they aren't the best of judges.
No, he really didn't earn his pay. For the level of compensation Revis was getting he should have been able to guarantee victories on the field. Instead he was a bystander too often as other talent shortfalls, some of them directly related to how expensive Darrelle Revis was, sunk the Jets. Why do you think we had Larry, Curly and Moe at WR last year? Why do you think Bryan Thomas and Garrett McIntyre were filling ROLB for us? Why do you think we had no playmakers on offense for the second year in a row? Talent costs money and the Jets have been short a couple of talented players in each of the last two seasons because they were paying Darrelle Revis through the nose.
This is arguably your most illogical post I have ever read. And on your previous wild Revis Hater point, ftr a player who gets injured is not fair to blame on the player. But on this more recent fiasco post, why do you blame Revis's contract for the weaknesses in the roster, and not Mangold's, Ferguson's, Harris's, Holmes's, and yes of course Mark Sanchez's??? You focus only on Revis, the one player in that group who definitely earned his pay. Your post is a joke.
So you agree that the Jets have struggled because of a lack of talent, but your response is to get rid of the most talented player? In what world does this make sense? The Jets had terrible recievers, no playmakers, smucks at the bottom of the roster, yada yada, because they failed at talent evaluation, failed at player development, traded away too many mid-round draft picks over the years, etc. etc. NOT because of Darrelle Revis, are you kidding me?? You might as well blame Sanchez's inability to protect the ball on Revis too while you are at it. Stephen Hill can't catch a cold - it must be Revis' fault too. The Jets aren't and won't be the only team to pay a great player top dollars, plenty of teams do so and win. The problem isn't his contract, because they can make it work - it's paying other players big contracts that don't play to that level.
Look at the Jets in the Revis era and tell me why you think his play value is worth anything close to what he has demanded in compensation over that span. The Jets have had Darrelle Revis under contract for 6 years now and they have only made the playoffs in 2 of the 6 years. They only made the playoffs as the culmination of bringing in several other highly compensated free agents also. As soon as the other free agents began to leave so did the Jets competitive chances. You've been brain-washed by a very effective marketing program, both on the part of Revis and his agents and then by Rex and the Jets, designed to convince you that a superstar CB is a key player in the elite competition in the NFL. This despite the fact that it's obvious at this point that this is not the case. The superstar CB's mainly sit on the sidelines at the end of the year. Other than Charles Woodson no great CB has played in a Super Bowl since 2004, this despite the NFL moving more and more towards the passing game over that span. The facts are that having a superstar CB is not a major factor in whether or not a team can compete at the top levels. The Packers don't even sniff the Super Bowl the year they won without Aaron Rodgers having one of the best seasons ever by a QB. Charles Woodson was a great player that year but he wasn't the reason the Packers won, he was just a great CB. The Jets are far better served at this point by recognizing that Revis Island is exactly that: an island occupied by two players while the 10-on-10 around them determines who wins the game, with the opposing QB and the people chasing him in the pocket being much more important than that isolated island. I understand why you are confused here. The PR has been all about how great Revis is and how the Jets are so much better with him than without him. If you can look past the fluff though you'll see that the Jets haven't been better with him than without him. They've been better with Rex's defense than without it.
You're a joke. You fellate Mevi$, and hate on Sanchez, then instead of making points, attack posters that take the opposite positions. Try quitting the word joke, and use stats and figures to make an argument.
Bah, just saw that the Saints are 16 million over. I thought they were our best chance of getting a high first for Revis.
You are dancing all over the place. First you blame Revis for getting hurt. then you blame a player who produces for the lack of cap space caused by players who do not produce. You also consistently ignore the reality that Revis's ability to cover the opponent's best receiver means the Jets do not have to double cover that receiver, as is standard NFL practice. This allows the Jets to use those ten other defenders, instead of nine, to cover rest of the opponent's offense. The blame you place on Revis for failures committed by the rest of the roster is laughable. The Jets would not have done as well as they have if they had not had him. Having Revis on the team did not prevent the Jets from trading up to the fifth pick to get Mark Sanchez, with the hope and intent that MS would be the team's franchise Qb. Nor did Revis's presence prevent the Jets from giving Sanchez a hefty contract. The problem came in when Sanchez failed to live up to that contract, and you blame Revis for htat, not Sanchez. You are brainwashed by your love for your own theory. You ignore the real world and those counterarguments that deflate your ridiculous and over the top hatred for Revis. Quite simply you have no cred when it comes to Revis.
Excellent response to one of the most misunderstood topics on this forum. The PR will let you know over and over that Revis is the best defensive player on the league. That can very well be true, but beign the best player and turning you from a decent team to a playoff winner are two different topics, and the only position that can carry a team literally on his back is a stud QB. Therefore, if paying Revis what he wants means making the rest of the team weaker, beacause his exorbitant salary a la Tom Brady will preclude us from improving much weaker positions, then the decision is clear. WE are better off with a decent not great corner and improve our linebacker core for instance, or our playmakers on offense, than to give Revis a King's randsome for a stud corner and continue to weaken the rest of the team by virtue of salary limitations. You can sign 2 stud LB for the price of Revis for instance. Having said that, it is criminal to think that we are doing this to some extent to compensate for that huge blunder of a contract Tanny gave Sanchez, before he could really prove himself that he has the goods to be our guy.
Point to the CB who is the keystone of his team's defense and who as a result of his play has brought championships to his team. You can't do it. He doesn't exist in the cap era.
That is not an answer. First of all, football is a team sport. You can say the same thing about anyone. But more to the point you must realize you have lost cred bigtime here blaming Revis for his getting hurt, then to say it is the fault of a player who produces that the team has fallen short, not the truly overpaid players on the Jets that are the real problem with the cap. You blame the best player on the team for falling short, when the Jets have one of the two or three worst starting Qb's in the league, for example, whose contract is a ridiculous problem under the cap. You also refuse to acknowledge how a shut down corner makes the whole D stronger. I find your position to be ridiculous and inconsistent.
That wasn't your point. This is you deflecting from earlier, more ridiculous statements.. "Revis didn't earn his money".. "Paying Revis is the reason the jets have no talent on offense" etc. We've argued this point before but you obviously don't want to debate Revis rationally because you will deflect and have opinions all over the map that its difficult to engage in anything rational about Revis with you. (which is odd because you usually aren't a poster that's like this) We get it, you don't want him on the team for some reason. We'll see how you feel though when Darrelle Revis turns into a late 1st/2nd round pick similar to a Kyle Wilson/Vladimir Ducasse player and the only thing good about this team - it's secondary- looks very pedestrian in coming years. I'm guessing then you'll have a differant opinion on whether or not they should've kept Revis - and what he brings to the table/the importance of the CB position.
Brad's history of Revis Hating has reached a crescendo today, and his dancing around is all the proof one needs that he is not, as you say, committed to a rational discussion of the issue. That being the case I no longer will pretend he is willing to do so. What is particularly ironic is how many bad decisions the Jets have made with high picks, and also their sad history of letting top players go, who do quite well elsewhere, is something Brad and other Revis Traders ignore. One the draft side, we have Gholston, Sanchez, Vlad. Picking Hall as a number 2. A first round pick for Kyle Wilson. These are classic examples of how a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, given the FO's proven capability of making too many awful high round draft picks. And as I noted above, sure they got a new guy in Idzik, but Woody is still running the show, and was the source of this idea of trading Revis even now. On the other hand we have names like Vilma, Rhodes, Washington, Douglas, Abraham. So we're going to add the best name that can be to that list? In short, the Jets have a sad history of not getting equal value for established and quality players the team lets go. Meanwhile they have a proven record of too many failures with recent high picks. That being the case, the logic of Brad and other Trade Revis types make, is the Jets should let an established mega-star like Revis go in return for high picks the Jets can use to pick another combo like Vlad and Wilson. I don't mean to say there are no problems with the current situation. But one problem I hear mentioned far too often is the way the negotiations went last time. The Jets were a party to those negotiations, and have some of the blame for how they went. And perhaps the Revis team will be better this time. You won't know unless you try it.
All I'm saying is that superstar CB's have a lower correlation to championships than most positions. Superstar safeties win all the time. Superstar CB's not so. Paying Revis like he's actually a guy who can bring us a championship is just absurd. It's a perfect example of what went wrong on the Jets over the last two years.
There's also been very, very few superstar CBs in general in this league, certainly few that play like Darrelle Revis. In the past 10 years - Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson, Nnamdi Asomaugh.. In the past 20 years- Deion Sanders, Ty Law, Darrell Green, Rod Woodson So of course there aren't a whole lot of examples of teams built around superstar CBs winning it all, because there hasn't been a whole lot of superstar CBs TO win it all. Our list is limited to a handful of guys like this, when they don't win SBs (oh wait- some of them HAVE) then it looks like you can't do it this way.
There are very few superstars at any position in the league over any decade in football, not just the last 10 or 20 years. There've only been 4 or 5 superstar QB's over the last decade. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, maybe Aaron Rodgers, maybe Drew Brees, maybe Ben Roethlisberger. That's it. That's the list of people you might consider a superstar at QB if you looked at the last decade. If you go back the 20 years you used you can add Brett Favre and Steve Young to the list and maybe Dan Marino - who was greater in the 80's than in the 90's. You can add Kurt Warner for a small handful of years. Again, that's it, there aren't very many superstars at any given position over a limited period of time. Now if you look at who wins championships recently what you are going to find is that superstar CB's NEVER win championships in the absence of a superstar QB. It just doesn't happen in the cap era. Now and then a superstar CB like Charles Woodson or Ty Law winds up on a defense where the team also has a superstar QB in-house. Those guys get to contribute at a championship level because there's a superstar QB making their contributions meaningful at the highest levels of play. If you step back a bit and look at all the championship teams another thing becomes apparent. Lots of superstar QB's win championships without having anything approaching a superstar CB on their team. It happens all the time. It's the rule, not the exception. So paying Darrelle Revis who may well be one of the best defensive players in the league as though he can deliver championships is just silly, because there is no evidence that he can do that. In fact all the evidence suggests things will go the other way if Revis is what the Jets are hanging their hat on. On a related note go look at the huge contracts that are given out to defensive players. I mean the mega-contracts on that side of the ball. How many of those contracts lead to championships? If you look at the issue closely you'll get some illumination on the value of spending a lot of money on any defensive player in this era. You'll begin to understand why Belichik ships out the superstar defenders like clockwork when they get too expensive. You'll begin to understand why the best defensive teams actually spend more money on the offensive side of the ball.
Well no crap Darrelle Revis and the Jets could use a superstar QB and that they could win a SB with a superstar QB, I'm not doubting that QB isn't a much more important position, but who's to say they can't have both? Or - better yet, how does getting rid of Darrelle Revis, get them closer to having a superstar QB? How does having Darrelle Revis limit their chances of getting a superstar QB? It hasn't limited them... The Jets tried this. They have a QB they drafted in the top 10 that's paid amongst the top in the league. He's terrible. He's still on the roster. But this is supposed to mean Darrelle Revis is hurting this team??? It's not like they've opted to take Revis over a potential superstar QB, they've opted to keep both, but one of them hasn't played like it! (not revis) So - to fix things you are advocating getting rid of the ONE that actually has played like a superstar? Makes no sense! The Patriots are actually a great example of why the Jets should pay Revis! Belichick's policy of not paying his defensive pro-bowlers (since they let an aging Law go anyway - they paid him for a long while) HAS hurt that team. They'd probably have another SB or two if they hung onto Asante Samuel for example - and he's nowhere near the level of Darrelle Revis!! They obviously are regretting this and value the position - they've drafted corners in Rounds 1 or 2 in each of the last 4 seasons! They are being talked about as a landing place, should Revis become a FA as well. It would be one thing if the Jets had all kinds of other superstars and a decision had to be made on who to keep amongst various positions. But that's NOT the situation the Jets are in. They only have 1 superstar on the whole roster, and need to adjust to fit with the salary cap. Doesn't it make more sense to hang onto the 1 and only guy who's actually good and get rid of the guys who aren't????? You are killing me here
