I normally stay away from discussions complaining about the refs. They are human and there are gray areas in the rules. But imo yesterday was a different order of magnitude. Imo the worst call was what goes into the books as an interception of Fitzpatrick's attempt to Smith. Sure the defender was going for the ball, but he can't chuck the wideout out of the play, which he did. Blatant. Probably second worst was the PI call on Gilchrist. There was nothing wrong there. I could say at least they got the non-fumble on Ivory right, but then again the call on the field was wrong, so they get only half credit for that one. Overall, very bad officiating, and I would thnk the NFL can't be too happy this crew almost let the game get out of control midway through the 4th quarter. Lots of personal foul calls, but they were deserved.
Yup, I believe that calls, good or bad, over the course of a season even out. In reality, a flag could be thrown on almost every single play between holding and PI alone. Any call that is subjective is going to be open for criticism. Did I personally agree with the back to back PI calls that seemed to be the only way that the fin's could move the ball up to that point, I did not. I also do not believe that the refs made any sort of subconscious decision to collectively inject themselves to help one team over the other. Just my opinion...
Its funny, but my little son plays soccer. He is hyper aggresive. Often pushing kids, tripping, playing dirty, etc. He is a good 2 inches taller than the average player at his age. He gets his fair share of penaties and then some. The intersting thing to me is that the refs NEVER call a penatly commited against him. The other team could probably punch him in the face and get away with it. My point is there is no conspiracy in my son's soccer. Refereeing certainly has a degree of subjectivity. I definately think there was bias against the jets on Sunday. I just don't understand why. Saying it all "evens out" is a cop out. It doens't even out. I bet there is not a singe unsportmanslike call commited against suh all season. No ref is going to call hands to the face if somone pokes that ding-dong in the eye.
Very nice post. There is no doubt in my mind that some of the calls us against us were to keep the game close and not allow it to be a blow out or get ugly for the London fans. That Non PI call was fucking atrocious.
Watching this game i felt like the refs got a message in their ear to let the dolphins back in the game because it would be good for the NFL's chances in London. the second half officiating was terrible, the Revis PI call and the non call on Devin Smith was bad. The cromartie one was arguable.
All I know, is that if I'm a guy in London thinking of getting on board with the NFL and I saw that game, my desire would have got down the shitter. What I saw was huge plays and turning points in games all determined by penalties. The penalties were mostly ticky tacky and it made the NFL look ridiculous. You think that's going to bring in rugby fans? Not a chance. Then they spend all this time talking about people's criminal history. Nobody wants to hear that shit. You're trying to sell a product to another country, what a complete failure. The first Dolphins scoring drive was 3 plays. 2 penalties then a touchdown. They've needed to fix the PI rule for a long time. There should be a yard maximum unless it's in the end zone. Giving out 40 yards here and 50 yards there goes against everything fans like to see in a football game. It's basically a bail out call for the offense, they didn't really earn those yards. They should give them half the yards, or maybe up to 20 total. Penalties shouldn't determine an entire drive, it cheapens the game and effort put forth.
it has to be that way because if you are beat you can tackle the WR and onyl give up half the yards. you won't see the big plays, DBs will purposely PI to save a big play then.
Bullshit .....this stuff happens every week with this team.....when was the the last time we got some home cooking?
Very bad. I'm guessing the NFL higher ups made some calls and wanted the game to be closer than it was.
And we did, but there is no doubt they were trying to keep the game close. They have so much invested in these London games and everybody knows the Jets were absolutely whooping Miami and the refs did their best to keep it as close as possible. Unfortunately I don't think it's far fetched.
I completely agree, but I also think we got an even up call on the Dolphins TD near the end, on the pick call. I think it was a pick, but the pick play is called when the spirit moves an official, and I think they weren't going to give the Dolphins what would amount to a third gift TD, especially after the holding call on 4th & goal.
I'm not so sure they would. Obviously the end zone rule would have to stay. You also have to consider that the receiver could drop the pass, the ball placement could be bad, he could just miss etc. If it's a big 3rd down, the DB isn't going to risk giving them an automatic first down, even if it's only half the yards. Defenses want to get off the field on 3rd down, not give them 3 more downs. Just my opinion of course, but I just hate seeing 40+ yard penalties, it defeats the purpose of fighting for yards and most of them are so ticky-tacky as it is. It's a game of inches. Giving free 40 yards from a penalty is too much. If it were up to me I'd have a 20 yard maximum penalty. If not, they might as well start giving people free TDs for PI in the endzone. The point is we don't know that he's going to make the catch, so awarding it as the equivalent is a bit harsh, IMO.
Isn't roughing applied before the kick? So a 5 yard penalty on 4th and 6 wouldn't give us a first down just a rekick and considering Quigley actually had a decent punt for once I'd assume the Jets declined. The refs did say the 5 yards would be applied after the kick but I've never heard it that way. I always was under the impression it was kick again.
they can take the penalty added to the end of the punt for running into the kicker. roughing the kicker is 15 yards and 1st down
I believe the penalty was 5 yards against the Fins (not a first down) and re-punt which the Jets declined
