Nobody said it was a good plan. It obviously didn't work because he's still got PSLs and people dumping PSLs. _
All opinion and suposition. I'll stand by my opinion because that's the only thing that makes sense. There was no football reason to bring him in--if Rex did it for football reasons then it should not have mattered 1 iota that the OC hated him (which is also speculation). "You put a goddam package in for this guy because he's a weapon we specifically brought in". Nope. Never happened. _
Btw, when I'm not driving and listening to Jets ticket commercials, I'm on my computer 10 hours a day. Have never seen a SINGLE Giant ticket ad, other than stubhub which is true for ALL teams. The Giants are no where near as dire as we are in terms of ticket and PSL sales. My Jet brethren can't give tickets away. My Giant friends have no problem. _
There were plenty of football reasons to bring him in, Mark had his best season when Brad Smith was a weapon for us and they envisioned him in the Brad Smith role. It didn't work out but there were football reasons for it. _[/quote] Again, we overcharged for PSLs but the Giants have ticket issues as well. they have as many road fans coming to their games as we do to ours. The Giants have appearances to keep up so they won't flood the airwaves w/ commercials but I have seen ads for giant tickets not on stubhub.
Again, this should have been researched before giving away 2 picks and cash. Stop trying to make excuses for the FO and Woody Johnson.
was it a terrible move? absolutely, where have I said it wasn't? My point is it wasn't done to sell PSLs. I beg you guys to find one person who said they bought a PSL b/c of Favre or Tebow.
We drafted Brad Smith to play the role he played. Tim Tebow was NEVER Brad Smith--was never envisioned to be that guy for Sanchez. It was a marketing ploy pure and simple--absolutely no football reason to bring him in. I'm not saying the Giants don't have issues--the smartest thing they did was charge $1000 for upper PSLs. The stadium as a whole is a shithole. But we are no where NEAR sold out--they truest indicator is the lack of a waiting list. When I first got on the list in 1998 I was at about 10,000. A friend of mine pulled a string and we jumped to number 1 in 2001 and got our tix. The waiting list now is ZERO. All I know is that I hear Jet commercials daily, get Jet calls monthly, see Jet 3 ticket deals advertised, never seen nor heard Giants commercials and my Giant friends have no porolem selling their seats while my Jet friends can't give them away. You can believe what you want, but the Jets version of MetLife is no where near sold out. _
Junc needs someone to tell him that someone bought a PSL because of Favre or Tebow. Because a strategy failed did not mean it wasn't the strategy. And I'm sure some people DID buy PSLs BECAUSE of those two guys, but since I can't produce them it can't be true, right? Unless you use logic and have seen shitty marketing campaigns your whole life. _
Like I said, the motive was market related - it blew up right in their face which is what I expected it to. Look at how "popular" the Jets were when Tebow got acquired. A real football team, with real goals, they don't make these acquisitions and they don't throw away draft picks and cash. Admit it Junc, the FO isn't what you believe it is, and it's not as good as you indicate.
Yeah, I don't have access to that type of information either, but I do know when Tebow came to the Jets - he was on the top of the Jersey sales list which benefits the marketing team, not the team itself.
Really? you need someone to clearly say they bought tickets because of Tebow before you believe the acquisition had that in mind? The Jets could spend thousands of dollars surveying every season ticket holder and still not get that specific of information. I also find it pretty fuckin silly that you don't believe the premise that Tebow was driven by Woody but you also choose to praise Tannenbaum. So if it was truly a football decision then it was a stupid football decision, right? But no you hold Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan in high regard. So basically no one is to blame?
that was the exact reason Tim was brought, wildcat OC and they felt he O missed something in '11 w/o Brad. Both teams ran through their previously long wait lists w/ the new Stadium. It's a PR thing w/ the Giants, they wouldn't "lower" themselves to advertised like we have but they have similar ticket issues. Both teams burned loyal fanbases. No one did, it's asinine thinking. It is not the reason we brought Favre/Tebow in. B/c I praise someone doesn't mean they have done everything right. are you serious? b/c I liked Tannenbaum that must mean I thought he was perfect? seriously? we did not acquire Favre or Tebow to sell PSLs. there is not a human alive that would purchase a PSL b/c of a player that was likely to e here one season.
I am not a season ticket holder and I value your business opinions so I have a couple questions for you. -Do you think it's possible that this PSL trend of the past decade might be something owners regret in the future? Obviously it's a BS money grab and usually that's great for owners, but it hurts the bottom line. I would say it has really hurt the bottom line with the Jets. They are pricing out the real fans and ticket sales are more and more about corporates that buy large amounts and hand them out or people trying to make a dime by selling tickets on a game by game basis. That decreases the experience of seeing the live game. If you couple that with the increasingly better in-home experience (HD TVs - Fantasy football popularity where you can check on other games.. ) aren't you making it even easier or more fan friendly to get people to stay home?
Either keep both or fire both. If you fire Rex and keep Idzik for one more year then what will you do when the 2015 team sucks? Fire Idzik but keep the coach?
I don't "hate" anyone, we've had a damn good run since the late 90s. I am giving Idzik a chance, we have a great cap situation now and now he has to bring in the players. we are in the middle of rebuilding and we have lost a ton of close games, I am not giving up for eternity like most fans.
You have a reading comprehension issue. If I critique someone it doesn't mean I "hate" them, if I praise someone it doesn't mean they are perfect. I appreciate BP bringing respectability to this franchise and really up until this year we have pretty much had it ever since BUT I am allowed to discuss the overall job he did. He did a GREAT job coaching, he's an all time great HC but he did a mediocre job at best as a GM and left us ain a cap mess. He also cost us Peyton Manning and Tom Brady so yeah I have some issues w/ the job he did though overall I appreciate what he did.
Hate maybe a strong word, but dislike would be a better term. Thanks for answering my question, you have confirmed my thoughts about your perspective on the FO. Continuity is nice to have, but it's even better to have continuity with people that ACTUALLY KNOW what they are doing. As far as I am concerned, Idzik is way over his head. He's going to take Rex with him. I don't want Idzik here because he could go into panic mode this off-season and really fuck things up. I didn't like any of Idzik's drafts so to me I want him gone.
The Jets are not going 3-13 this year unless they fire Rex in mid-season. If they decide at any point to play for a top pick they have to fire Rex because 5-11 is his floor. You want to know who Rex is most like in terms of recent coaches? Tony Dungy. Same strengths and weaknesses and both fine motivators of men who won't allow a collapse. The one difference is that Rex is an extrovert and Dungy is a more balanced personality.
