Poll: What should Woody Do at the end of the season?

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What should Woody Do at the end of the season?

  1. Keep Idzik; fire Rex

    26 vote(s)
    21.1%
  2. Fire Idzik; keep Rex

    19 vote(s)
    15.4%
  3. Keep both for at least 1 more year

    39 vote(s)
    31.7%
  4. Fire both (blow it all up)

    39 vote(s)
    31.7%
  1. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Not sure where to start with this one.

    If you consider trading Darrelle Revis for Sheldon Richardson dismantling the team, well that's an interesting take.
     
  2. Jetsfansince95

    Jetsfansince95 Well-Known Member

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    Come on who is to say that we don't draft Sheldon anyway we took Milliner to replace Revis rest is history
     
  3. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    It has to be one of two options:

    -Either blow the whole FO, Scouts and CS up and start new.

    or

    -Let Idzik remain and rely on him, Woody and the Jets front office braintrust to hire a new HC and scouting staff.
     
  4. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Double A is equally adept at making plays in the box; he just doesn't do it with the same reckless abandon. I would gladly sacrifice some of those bone crushing hits in exchange for some sure tackling.
     
  5. irishwhip03

    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    Continuity means something. Rex is the best coach we've had since Parcells. To fire him would be stupid enough. To then have our incompetent GM hire his own guy would be ever more stupid.
     
  6. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    He didn't trade Revis for Richardson. He traded Revis for a 1st round pick.
     
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  7. SienaSaints

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    Just out of curiosity, but shouldn't we be more concerned with Neil Glat? He is the team president and I believe he was in charge of finding a GM. I have seen multiple people say that Woody left to Idziks discretion the spending of the cap room. I dont get why people hate Woody for certain reasons. He hasnt made a good hire for GM, but that doesnt change the fact that he always seems comitted enough to spend to win. See 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011.
     
  8. JetsVilma28

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    Looking at the team right now and hindsight 20/20, my pick would go in for Benjamin as someone else stated. Reality, we took Pryor and I think the kid is going to turn into one of the better safety's in the league. He likes to be around the football, he has a good nose for it, he is going to make some Big plays in his career. He needs to cleanup his angles and being a sure tackle when it matters most, last man to get through.
     
  9. The Dark Knight

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    SELL THE TEAM to Mark Cuban would be the best option, but I chose Blow it up!
     
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  10. JetsNation06

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    The only continuity that Rex has displayed over the last 3.5 seasons is the ability to miss the playoffs every season and produce a more dysfunctional, less winning product on the field. You don't just keep a guy for the sake of consistency if it yields poor results. You only rely on consistency when it shows marked improvement year after year. Ryan is the complete antithesis of this. His W-L record, lack of playoff appearances, questionable in-game coaching, poor clock mgt, undisciplined team that commits too many penalties, lack of QB development and much more all fall at his feet. He must go.

    The real question is does Idzik stay or does Woody start fresh?
     
  11. JetsVilma28

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    I would have agreed with this a while ago, but Rex has regressed. This team (the special teams in particular) has no discipline. Rex controls only one facet of the game, defense. Marty, cost us the Green Bay game and has been overall a terrible OC, to which Rex has done nothing about.

    Marty should fall under Rex's umbrella of hierarchy, so should the Special teams coach (whoever that is); Rex is failing as a head coach.

    You can't be "friends" with your players, you actually have to coach them to win.
     
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  12. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but the only thing people will argue with this is, has Rex been given the tools he needs to win?

    I think Rex is done, really done. This is his worst year as a head coach, he is really bad this year. He has no authority, it seems. If he does have authority, he uses none of it.

    He loves to just take the blame, rather than make adjustments and hold men accountable.
     
  13. No Fly Zone

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    Glat has the title of President but its a not what he is. Neil is really in charge of the non-personnel part of the business. He's the business guy that deals with the league, tickets, stadium, concessions, apparel etc. For lack of a better term he's a football "revenue" guy, he's not and should not be anywhere near the player side of the business. What's lacking on the team is a true Player/Personnel head / president whatever you want to call it. Woody did right in hiring Neil to handle the revenue side, now he needs to do the same for the player side of the equation.
     
  14. Cman69

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    I personally think Neil Glat is a f'n ninja. He's never seen or heard from, gives no interviews, walks across the sand without leaving any footprints.

    Woody hired a professional headhunting outfit to find him a new GM. I think folks are a bit tired of his always hiring guys that don't have any high level experience in the job they're being hired for. He hasn't hired a true football guy to run things since Parcells left town. Every hire since has been a first timer and for the most part, have been mediocre performers at best at their jobs. Tannenbaum was a cap guy. Mangini was a newbie HC. So was Herm who was forced on him because of the affirmative action initiative the NFL took back then. Rex talked his way into Woody's heart by being the outgoing jock to Woody's introverted nerd. I still don't know if Idzik has the authority to fire Rex. Somehow, I doubt it.

    The one time Woody had a chance to hire a football guy to run things he fck'd it up by having the ridiculous stipulation that the new GM keep Rex on as HC. That's not how things are done and explains why all the top candidate found other organizations to work for PDQ. That didn't stop Woody so we wind up with yet another neophyte GM guy learning on the job. If you have no experience but need it? Come see Woody Johnson and he'll hire you.

    I have no doubt Woody wants to see the team win but not for the reasons you list. He needs some ROI especially with all the cash he put down going half with the Jints. Those unsold PSL and empty luxury boxes are lost revenue and that hurts Woody way more than losses on the field in the big picture. That $20mil Idzik rat holed must have been music to Woody's ears. He's already on board with "building thru the draft" and "spending occasionally in FA". Translation: We're in a large market but we're gonna run like its a small market. Too bad he can't charge small market prices for the tickets and the swag.
     
  15. JetsNation06

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    Yeah but that argument can't even be used anymore because everyone knows Rex had say in a lot of the moves (draft, FA) that this team has made over the years. Especially 6 years into the job he definitely has his fingerprints all over this organization.

    Even Rex can't talk his way out of all the negatives that are going against him at this point in his Jets career.
     
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  16. No Fly Zone

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    Its seems pretty clear that Rex has no power with respect to the offense. Its Marty's side to run as he sees fit and he's done an awful job. I thought he would have done better but he's fooled us all. I agree that Marty is best when under the control of a strong HC. Rex isn't that guy.
     
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  17. No Fly Zone

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    Woody didn't burn through that much cash for the stadium, the PSL holders paid for the vast majority of it.
     
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    I had read somewhere that Woody did put some significant pocket money into this. They couldn't have possibly floated the entire half via PSL sales. Could they? If so, how on earth did they get financing using future PSL sales as leverage and who's on the hook for the cash if those PSL's don't come in as expected?
     
  19. No Fly Zone

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    I think Woody did put up the initial cash but the PSL $$ went to pay him back so he was essentially floating a bridge loan. fwiw.. I think the PSL holders should get some piece of the business, where else in business does someone put up money and willingly get nothing in return. There must be a lawyer out there that would take this on to fight for a piece of the pie. The publicity and support would be huge.
     
  20. No Fly Zone

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    Here's what I could find on PSL revenues etc. It looks like Woody did foot most of the $650mm cost. I doubt he raised all $175mm from PSL sales, more like $150mm. The Giants seemed to do pretty well with over $300mm in PSL sales so the Giants season ticket holders paid for half of the Giants outlay for the stadium.


    The New York Giants and Jets closed deals Thursday for $1.3 billion in financing for a new stadium the NFL clubs are teaming to build.
    "This represents another step forward in the completion of this exciting project," said Alice McGillion, a spokeswoman for New Meadowlands Stadium Corp.

    Each team completed separate $650 million financing deals. CitiCorp is financing the Jets' portion, while investment banks Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers are financing the Giants' deal.

    The teams got financing help earlier this year when NFL owners approved $300 million in loans to help finance the stadium work. The open-air facility at the Meadowlands Sports Complex is expected to open in 2010 and seat 82,500.


    The Giants are selling licenses to every seat in the $1.6 billion stadium they are building with the Jets, and will generate about $367 million if they sell all 78,448 licenses. After taxes, about half the revenue will go to paying the Giants’ stadium debt.

    The revenue generated from PSLs will be used solely to pay off the construction costs of the stadium, said Johnson, adding that the NFL would not receive any percentage of the money. He said the team hoped to raise about $175 million (after taxes) from the PSL sales.
     

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