Poll: What Record Would Call for a Year 1 Gase Fire?

yes that is right... We have a NEW O HC who 1) didn't have his half of the team ready to play, 2) he didn't learn shit from his tenure in Miami - his record is 1-4 against the bills, 3) his game planning was abysmal, 2) his game calls were juvenile and ultra conservative - AKA TB, 3) he made NO adjustments at half time or during the game that I saw, 4) his use of personnel packages - WHICH WAS FRANKLY NON EXISTENT - was also abysmal, 4) but what troubles me more is his comments he made today which seem a lot like Miami. He came across as a arrogant twit and like in Miami, he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.

Memo to AG, get your team prepared to play or GTF out ....I have had enough pretenders. Frankly, this game solidified my concerns regarding this guys capabilities and if the lose next week the same way, the chants will start with me to fire the bum... because they will be 0-6 shortly.

 

Or the team continues to lose like they did yesterday not getting better and they start 0-6.... then he should be fired.

 

Well, if he's not, we go out and draft someone else who may be. If he doesn't work out, we draft someone else. Rinse and repeat until we find our guy. Darnold not working out may set us back years...and it may not. You never know when you find your next Carson Wentz or Patrick Mahomes. What WILL set us back is if they get gunshy again, refuse to draft a QB in the first round for the next ten years, and continually fill the QB position with over the hill journeymen.

 

Didn't vote because I don't think Gase should be judged by his record, whatever it is, he should be judged on his coaching. He should be judged on his play calling, schemes, time management, personnel decisions, ect. It was absolutely awful yesterday, and if he doesn't get better, he should be fired after this year. We'll find out.

 

Pete Carroll was 6-10 as the Jets HC. He would have never succeeded as HC even if Hess gave him 10 years. He was too immature. He has said as much. He wanted to be "one of boys" i.e., a peer rather than the boss. He had a basketball goal installed and wanted to play basketball with his players. He has said that he didn't learn how to coach until after he was fired by the Jets and Patriots and spent a year or two sitting and thinking about what went wrong and why.

As I told Zach above, Carroll would not have improved. He didn't really improve when he went to the Patriots. He has said that it took getting fired from both the Jets and the Patriots in such a short span to wake him up, make him take a hard look at himself and figure out why he had failed. It's also a stretch to put Carroll and Pederson in the same paragraph. Pederson learned from his first year and improved. Carroll didn't. He had to be fired twice and take a hard look at himself before he woke up and learned how to be a head coach.

 

So basically you are saying that if Gase is to become a good coach, he will have to get fired here first, then become a good one somewhere else. Amirite?

 

Are you serious? Are you that reading comprehension-impaired? My comments were about Carroll, not Gase. I didn't even mention Gase in that post.

Gase has beaten the Patriots, so he must do somethings right as a HC. IMO he is either already a good HC or isn't. If he is, then that will show as the season progresses and will show next year when we have a better OL, better CBs, a better WR corps, and maybe a real pass rusher. If he isn't a good HC, then that will be revealed as the year goes on, and probably next year, and I won't care what it will take for him to become a good HC, I'll just want him gone.

 

I don't know which one of us has reading-comprehension-impairment, per your words.

My point was - Jets fired a good head coach way too early once, and that's once too many. Then you had to mention about how Pete Carroll couldn't have succeeded here.

Hence the quip; I could have used Belichick after his Browns tenure to accentuate the point. After all, it's anybody's guess as to whether Belichick could have succeeded with the Browns. As it happened, he was fired from the Browns, then went to work with some other DC job, then became what he is in New England. Right?

All in all, firing Gase after barely one season will achieve at best nothing - or that was what I was pointing at.

Or am I reading-comprehension impaired? You tell me.

 

My reading comprehension is just fine, thank you. You specifically mentioned Carroll and tried to make some connection with Gase. Their situations have nothing in common. Carroll was a rookie HC who wasn't serious and wasn't ready to be a HC. Gase has 4 years of experience in Miami and is very serious. IMO there was nothing to indicate that you were trying to make some larger point about Gase, since there are no real similarities between Gase and Carroll. That's all I was responding to. Gase's situation isn't the same and that's why I didn't respond to that part of your post.

We are in agreement that firing Gase after barely one season will achieve nothing. Barring a total cluster fuck of a season where the Jets win fewer than 4 games, Williams and Gase have a public blow up, or Gase tells off Douglas, I don't see any way that would happen.

 

Well yea 0-16 or 1-15 but I don't think that's happening. If we had one of those 2 records the Johnsons would definitely entertain the idea I'm sure

But I think Gase is here for at least 2 full seasons

Douglas I foresee being a good GM. I think he'll be here a while. But these early days of cleaning up Mac's muck is an ugly job

 

Fact is even if we won...1-5 was a distinct possibility

Bottom line is this team CAN improve. Then can continue to get better. The o-line can gel. The penalties can come down, heck even the corner play can improve (about as much as it possibly can)

And they still can be 0-6

The teams that are lined up for us up until the QB less Jags are an absolute nightmare. We have an 0-1 Browns team with insane weapons coming in. We have no personnel to stop them. NONE. And guess what, we can't get to the QB. You think we're laying a glove on Mayfield? I don't care what the Cleveland o-line is we don't get to the QB EVER. Then comes the Patriots, Eagles, Cowboys, Patriots.

You tell me how in the world we're stopping those offensive attacks? How in the world are we covering Beckham/Landry/Njoku. Or the Patriots weapons. Or the Eagles attack. Or the Cowboys. We could play well and even a bit OVER our heads and lose every game.

Oh yea, and how are we putting any balls through the uprights?

 

How do you fired the guy with no O-line ,no CB,and no kicker??? Wow guys !!!thats ALL on Magic Mike ...... douglas going to need a yr to fix the shit left behind. Im sorry its just plain not fair to judge gase with this Roster.. you cant make prime rib with spam .... at this point im hoping we dont get darold hurt with this O-line .... he was sack 4 times and hit 9 times... the difference between winning and losing can just be a few points .... if we had a field goal kicker we win that game!! ..... that can be the difference between going 6 and 10 or 10 and 6 .... were going to lose at least 3 more games because of kicking .....this team was never ready for primetime with these Weaknesses...... thank magic mike for this crap ... no way douglas could fix this shit storm After FA

 

Aside from 2015, this roster is no worse than the ones Bowles had. Plus the schedule is easier this year (the first 6 are tough, but the following 7 are ridiculously easy), and we (supposedly) have a franchise QB, which Bowles never had. So while I understand this isn't a playoff roster, if Gase can't get more wins than Bowles did, we have a problem.

 

You continue to repeat the "franchise quarterback" sobriquet; suppose you wait until the guy wins more games than he loses for starters?

 

Ok ok well we just gave one of those wins away because we didnt have a competent Kicker... if we dont find one real quick ( which is damm near impossible in season)at some point were going to lose at least 3 more games Minimum .... we had a pro bowl kicker magic mike let him walk out the door..... ask yourself this question.... lets say we got in FG range sunday.... you feeling good if we needed a 40 yarder??

 

lets get him protected first .... andrew Luck should be A Cautionary tale.... in a span of 3 years he was hit more than any QB in the NFL ... thoses hits add up .. darold in year 2 is just now getting weapons to play with.... but if we cant keep him up right thoses weapons will be useless ...... wheres his D Ferguson where is his Managold??

 

Yada, yada, yada...the guy is not now a franchise quarterback. Period.

Anyone who calls him that today is getting way ahead of the game. Who would build a franchise around a quarterback who wins 29% of his games? The reasons for that may be coaching or line play or game planning or many other things but that doesn't change a thing today; he's not there yet and he may or may not ever get there.

 

Whether or not Darnold is the guy, we still need to build a solid foundation.

I think he can be good...but I don't like what I'm seeing early.

p.s. Sam should have seen more pre-season action imo...