Of course the guy who got 100% of the blame for that pick was Idzik. Even though (unlike Mehta and Cimini said) he did work with his coaching staff and listened to them. And selected players they liked. And I think this also includes Pryor when they couldn't get the Wrs they wanted: Watkins and Beckham. But it's true that McDougle probably because he was out for the year in 2013 was predicted by draft experts to be a 5th round pick. And disgruntled fans and draftniks made a big deal out of it. Really 3rd to 5th round isn't that big a difference. And if a team interviews and likes a player why not take them earlier.
I have no problem giving him a chance, especially since he's already on the roster but I wouldn't expect anything from him. I would be much less surprised to see McDougle off the roster heading into 2016 than I would to see him playing significant snaps. I hope I'm wrong and he turns out to be good for us, but for a guy who is at the bottom of the depth chart and coming off his third significant injury the chances are low.
Hope you're right--I'm rooting for him, but I still think the jets could have got him in rounds 6-7. Would have much rather seen that pick go on the OL, wher the jets are really thin.
I know special teams rely on 4th and 5th WRs and LBs, but does ST rely on 4th and 5th DBs? Maybe kick returner, but do they have 'standard' positions on Teams, and if so could Milliner and McDougle contribute on ANY level (after they heal of course)? They were both drafted as starters with no consideration to Teams, but things are different now.
I have no sense of regret at all. We have a great top 3 with 4/5 having nice upside. We have a fantastic cb situation Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It will be interesting to see. I think he will at least have a decent chance to develop with this CS, IF he can stay healthy. I firmly believe that this CS will actually do their jobs and coach up players, and then hold them accountable, whereas the previous CS obviously didn't do much of either one. He definitely has talent, and I think I remember that he's a hard worker, has good instincts and spent a lot of time in the film room. All of that means nothing, however, if he can't stay out of the Trainer's room. I'd love to see him develop into at least a quality slot corner, if not outside CB, but won't be too surprised if he never amounts to anything. After all, Idzik and I assume Rex were involved in taking him, so there has to be something wrong with him!
I'm really hopeful for Milliner and especially so for McDougal, but I think the worst thing to do right now is to bury Williams at the bottom of the depth chart. The guy is not a #1 corner by a long shot at this point, but we need to give him as many practice reps and game snaps as we can to give him an opportunity to develop.
Cro's contract is basically a 1 year deal. The last 3 years are for $24 million none of which is guaranteed and there is no cap hit if he is cut. It basically is a placeholder to let Milliner heal and get assesed by the coacing staff.
I don't think the Jets will work Revis and Cro too hard during TC at their ages. They're vets, and have played together before. I think they'll want to get a look at Williams, particularly if Milliner and McDougle aren't healthy enough to play a lot of snaps in TC.
I think some fans here need to recognize that when the Jets signed Bowles, they were signing a coach who needs to have cb's who can play man coverage, and that means having three healthy cb's who can do that. Last year the Jets had no one who met those criteria. As of today it is likely that Milliner will not be healthy by camp. By Opening Day? Too much risk he won't be. McDougle is a total question mark, but he also seems rather fragile, and we dont know whether he will ever play a single down in the NFL. Another one that can't be counted on. Williams showed some things last year. Walls showed he does not belong as a starter, and probably not the nickel, either. So they will now fill the roles they should have been, which is as backups. If Milliner in particular but also McDougle get healthy, they can show what they've got and we'll cross that bridge and all that. Meanwhile the Jets have enough, but not too much, to play the kind of D the new HC requires. I have no problem with that.
I get the distinct impression that Bowles likes to maximize the speed he has on the field-- I expect to see a lot of one or two linebacker sets, with extra safeties and extra corners on the field. I'm curious as to whether that means we grab a pass rushing LB early or we pass on the position all together.
If we pass on the position all together, I will be pissed unless our first four picks are used on Mariota, Brick's possible successor at LT, WR, RB.
The Jets have not had a very good pass rushing LB since John Abraham, and yes like everyone else they could use one. But imo I don't expect any further big FA moves adding to the D. As you point ont we can expect to see much in the way of nickel and dime coverage, which will limit the presence of LB's on the field. I would not be surprised to see the draft weighted toward the offense, and yup, the Jets do not pick up a pass rushing LB.
I dont agree... and in fact id feel alot better if our 4th corner was someone i trusted more then milliner or williams. we are one cro/skrine/(god forbid) revis injury away from having one of those guys basically starting. I also think that in order to really get the value of revis, you cant have soft corners on the field with him. you cant give them easy outs throwing away from him. ESPECIALLY in times when you play a team whose best weapon is a slot WR or a TE. you lock Revis on say Jimmy graham or juilius thomas and then have to rely on milliner and williams to cover the outside of the field? no thanks on that. i dont think it matters. if you are second or third corner you really see the same amount of snaps. forget bowles defense that is just the NFL in general, you see more nickel then you see 4-3 or 3-4.
value also depends on how you are going to play. are davis/flowers better with more value? sure... but we havent seen them succeed in the same style cro has. with Revis on the field you know you are going to play alot of man and be right up on the line. with bowles blitzing you know you need the same. cro has excelled both with us and with bowles playing up and at the line. similar to the patriots bringing in browner who can play that style next to revis.
i think skrine or that third corner will be playing outside alot more then people are anticipating. we will see revis lock down in the slot alot. bowles often moved patterson on tight ends and slot guys, and also blitzed patterson alot. we need 3 corners who can play on the outside, cause Revis is going to be on the best player regardless. he isnt like sherman who is just gonna lock down at LCB
if we do pick up a pass rushing LB, i can see it being a bigger one who can play DE in nickel. i wouldnt rule it out. but agree i think(and approve) of us going offense heavy
I can't speak to percentages but if you watch the Colts play you know they're blitzing often and early leaving Davis on an island because they need to sell out versus the run. That being said, Cromarties deal is a much better one if you read into the fact that he can be cut at any time after 2015 which is really the only fully guaranteed year. It's just a head scratcher as to why he commanded so much money per year if we wanted to get him.
Cromartie is betting on himself. He/ his agent knows he is only guaranteed for 1 year but he also knows they won't cut him if he has a great year. So he will get the nice yearly contract that he's seeking... The jets just protected themselves if he doesn't play well. It was win win for both sides and I admire Cromartie for taking a risk financially but betting on himself and this situation. Most guys would just take the best guaranteed money offer and be done with it. It's nice to see a guy want something other than the safe $$ and putting his balls on the line based solely on his play
