I'd really like to pick up winston with the 29th and Max Jean Gillies with the 35th. I think b/c of the depth we have at these positions they could start right away, but I do not think they will be able to make an immediate impact. It will take atleast a year I think.
Partly right. Mankins started from Day 1 and Kaczur started when Matt Light went down early in the season. Both played at a surprisingly high level for rookies.
theres no law that says it has to take these guys two years to be good alot of oline men come in and start all 16 games plus id rather hvae young guys out there then some fat slob like clement who is know to get lazy and get beat by speed rushers than our qbs are on the side watching the 3rd stringer playing again.
I agree with you that there is no way these two guys come in here and dominate, thats just not going to happen. Gallery, who was supposed to be a franchise LT has been average through his years so far. Same with Mckinnie who was labelled the sureset thing in his draft. Either way all we can do is evaluate the prospects and hope they develop as such. In two years if both of these guys develop into the players that we all think they can they we have a couple solid pieces on the OL. Calling Brick a project is wrong. Absolutely wrong. He is NFL ready, he will step in on whatever team he gets drafted to and he will start on opening day. Just because he may need some time to adjust to the pro game before he can become the dominant player that he is predicted to be does not mean he is a project. A project is someone who you draft knowing that they are not NFL ready but given their athletic ability they have the potential to play.
Gallery hasn't even played the position yet because the Raiders have had someone else who could play there to ease Gallery in. He has played RT, and has played very well. He will be at LT this year.
is your gripe against claims of an instantly IMPROVED o-line, as in your title, or the instantly great o-line in the final line of your post? those are two different things? our o-line was terrible last year, and bringing in those two guys does instanly IMPROVE our o-line, I don't think you can make an argument against that. that o-line may not be instantly GREAT, but not being great does not mean it isn't IMPROVED.
I think the point of taking those players isn't to immediately improve the team, but get talented young guys that can hopefully stay together and be successful for a long time. I don't agree with drafting Ferguson, but if we could trade down from 4 and pick up one of the top RT's in the draft, and get Mangold we'd have a young player at every position with a ton of potential.
Complain, complain, complain.... Last couple of posts from you have been complaining.... How do you know, It will take mangold 2 years? I don't know about ferguson because he is a tackle but a center named nick mangold.... He will instantly be a solid player on the Oline, and with one year experience he will be good, and in his second season, your season he will be better, this guy will be a perrenial pro-bowler, he can be the next mawae, or be the next lecharles bentley on his way to becoming mawae. When your as talented as mangold with crazy upside, being a center not a tackle, there is no choice but to be solid then good to great. Ferguson is a diffrent story, he won't have help like mangold will have defending Dtackles, and vice versa with our guards who are good already, so just chill dude, you are supposed to be a realist? Or a darksider? Mangold will instantly be solid for our Oline, and may end up being good, real good, at the end of the season.
REALLY!!!! just because someone sees INSTANT IMPROVEMENT - It doesn't mean they are saying instant dominance or anything.... And that's why you need to add a bunch of young guys now - So, the following season or the one after that, the OL is ready to be part of a contending team!!!!!
Jetzz has it right. You hardly have to worry about QB's when you have no OL ...because you have no QUARTERBACKS!!! Who needs quality OL? So what if we hit #5 in the depth chart of the QB position, and we have nightmares of Kliff Kingsbury as our potential starter! Kliff Who?? Kliff with a K??? Please Tangini - pick D'Brick and Mangold so our QB's spend more time in the game than in surgery!
Well the thing with having shaky QB situation makes it easy to give some rooks the time they need to get some experience playing. About the only positive. This team is probably 2 years away from becoming competitive. Anything more sooner and it would be amazing to me.
WHile I agree to a point, Mangold and/or D'Brick would still be an immediate improvement over our current situation, or in the very least have no drop off. Grab them now, let them learn the game, and in a couple years they will anchor one of the best lines in the NFL, if all alse is done properly.
Because History Says that it does! Isn't that Exactly what I said?? 2 Years. A realist is seen as Either, Both or NONE Depending on who sees it differently. Mangold won't even be starting this year if we draft him!!! He May get some time in because of Injury or because we're 2-10 and they'll get in some work at some point.
