Nope just pure wishful thinking. The 49ers interest in Leon seems geniuine and their fan base is content with it. But if somehow the Browns can manage to get good value for one of their 2 qbs which theyre supposedly trying to trade, I could definitely see them looking towards Clemens as a backup. Mangini thought Clemens was the future of this Franchise, and who knows. Not to mention they have an extra late 3rd rounder from us. I could definitely see this happening if they get value for one of their guys. Edit - Nevermind they signed Seneca Wallace as that role.
The Browns traded for Seneca Wallace and my gut tells me he'll end up starting in Cleveland. Mike Holgrem is in charge now, not Eric Mangini. Holgrem specifically targeted Wallace to compete with Brady Quinn.
If you just look at kicking % and didn't watch the games you could make an argument but anyone who watched understands how much better feeley was and it wasn't close. i don't remember Jay msising 2 makeable kicks w/ a game on the line, do you? if you have been saying it all along you have been wrong all along, leon is a playmaker. We don't have many of those. He's a perfect compliment to Shonn Greene. No one wants to keep those other players simply b/c of attachment it was smart to keep them. If we keep Chad in 2008 we win the division, that move turned out to be best for us in the long run b/c it led to Rex and Sanchez but it wasn't made for that reason. Keeping Thomas Jones this year in an uncappe dyear is smart, tendering leon 1st rd is smart, Jay is the best kicker we have had so keeping him would have been smart. Jones and leon didn't have to be here long term but for 2010 it would have been smart to keep them and it wouldn't have hurt us re-signing the core guys in '11 but fans like you love the draft more than the team. you draft to win games and championships, we were really close last year and we are hamstrung b/c of the final 8 rules so we needed to be creative and allowing quality guys to go w/o being able to replace them isn't really the way to go for 2010. Bush only became better this postseason when he playe dup to his potential. Look at their rushing #s: Leon: 370 rushes, 1782 yds, 4.8 YPC, 13 TDs bush: 488, 1940, 4.0 YPC, 17 TDs Leon has also been more durable, Bush has missed games in 3 of his 4 seasons, this freak injury to leon was the first time he missed a game in 4 years. leon was also drafted in rd 4, Bush top 5 pick. Leon is the better RB and reggie has bene better in the apss game but that's b/c they use the backs more in their pass game than we do. leon also averages more yards per rec as well so if he ahd more opps he's have better #s there too. Leon is not a great PR yet he has averaged 1.3 more yards per PR. People have short memories, Bush has good postseason and all of a sudden that makes up for 4 years where leon has been better. leon is hurt and misses most of the year and all of a sudden we forget all he has done.
Man this thread took off since I left last night. I will say this about Washington...despite everyone saying how "strong" he is in a little package, I always felt he went down easy. He would always need either a big hole or a gimmick play to get himself open b/c he couldn't create it for himself.
I disagree with that assessment. There are many times I remember him just continuing and driving into a pile, only to spin out of tackle and take off for more yardage.
Really? he's created something out of nothing more often than not. How can we argue w/ 4.8 YPC? does he have to score a TD every time he touches it? The man is ultra productive whenever he gets touches.
I don't agree either. In fact, this season when they, for the first time, gave him carries between the tackles I was surprised how well he did picking up yards. I'd hate to see him go. He's just, well, he's a "Jet" Can't really explain it, but Leon to me just seems like he's got to stay in the Green & White. I do not want to see him in another uniform.
Show me, also how much is more yardage? 20+? He doesn't break off chunks unless there is a big hole or its some sort of screen pass and then he is elusive. Inside the tackles he's useless, which is why he wasn't used that way. Yes he is ultra productive within the confines of an offensive shematic which works for him. And he broke his leg.
Totally. I remember at the beginning of the season, a number of carries where Leon fought through tackles, and I was sitting there, yelling 'Hey Thomas Jones, that's how to drive for more yards!'
If that's true, then Mr. E is definitely right that this will be Leon's last season. I don't see our FO giving in to his demands next year at the age of 29.
He averages 4.8 YPC over his career, he averaged 4.6 last year. There's not much more we really need to show you. You think it's our brialliant scheme why he has success? The broken leg was a freak accident, the man hadn't missed a game in his first 3 years and he ran inside alot. Any size player would have broken their leg in that situation.
I still believe Clemens is gone by draft day, but certainly not for a 3rd rounder. A 6th seems much more likely. EDIT: And the Lions, Colts, Cardinals, and Bills, just to name a few, are teams looking for a backup QB right now.
If Leon gets an offer sheet and signs it, it won't be for big money considering his situation. That why why they tendered him for the 2nd instead of the first. They don't want to deal with Alvin Shitkeels. Gotta disagree with that. I think he'll be a Jet for at least 3 more seasons.
junc you keep adding words, I never said "brilliant" nor before did I say he "always has to score TDs to be effective" I guess the main point I'm trying to make is that (forget Leon's broken leg for a minute) I wouldn't focus a depth chart around Leon Washington Re: Broken Leg - Yeah it was freak just like Brady's injury.
Absolutely. We haven't seen what Leon will do as a COP back for Greene. As a COP for Jones, teams hadn't been physically worn down and they were quick to change their own pace on defense. I don't think it's going to be even close to that easy for them when their ears are ringing and their vision is blurred.
You said he was good in our system so you are crediting the system for his success. We aren't building arounf Leon, he's a complimentary player alongside our bowling ball 2nd year RB. That would be quite a 1-2 punch.
Something else I thought of this morning on the "signing Leon would cripple our future ability to re-sign our stars" front: We have Shonn Greene under contract for 3 more seasons, which means he doesn't need to be renegotiated until 2012. Even if we draft a back in the 2nd round, that back will be on a rookie contract until 2013. If Leon gets a 4 year deal this offseason at what will likely be a reduced rate, we're committing about $4 - 5 million per season for the next 3 years to our backfield. That's less than the vast majority of teams in this league. I really fail to see how it breaks us. It gives us 3 seasons with a dominant backfield before we have to worry about our two power backs eating up cap space. Look at Baltimore's success with the formula. Pay one back (who isn't the starter anymore) along with two players on rookie contracts because they work well together as a unit. I'll bet if you were to go through the salaries of the backfields in the league, ours with a re-signed Leon Washington would be in the bottom third.
I would as well. I'm basing that entirely on the lack of backups remaining with starting experience. I really think the Colts are a strong possibility. They've made it clear they want a QB with some starting experience after what happened without Peyton last season. They don't want Painter anywhere near the field. There really aren't many such QBs available that cheaply. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they offered their low 6th to us for Clemens.
