Agree 100%. Cannot give him a pass, but he clearly has been rattled. He is rushing throws, and making poor decisions. BUT, he is getting the crap kicked out of him game in game out because the o-line sucks, the playcalling is usually predictable, and they cant make up their mind about an offensive strategy, are they a ground and pound, or an air it out offense? They have a terrible offensive strategy, and a young QB with bad O-line. He needs to take a lot of the blame, but lets not give the staff a free pass here.
Believe me, I am not giving Sanchez and especially Ryan a pass. In fact, wasn't Ryan's whole schtick that the Jets were going to ride their D to championship after championship? Sanchez and the O sucked last night without question, but the Jets did have the lead when Rah Rah Tebow took over at the 5, and according to Fat-assed big mouth, that is exactly the situation Rex Ryan's Vaunted Defense (pat. pend.) wants to be in, to win games. And they have failed time and again. Last nights failure was the icing on the cake, by far.
Agreed. I'm not giving up on Sanchez until I see him fail in a different offensive system. Schotty's systems sucked with 4 different QBs. Didn't you just rip him in a different thread??? And then claim that the OC is not to blame for poor QB play?
Sanchez's problems include lack of accuracy and a failure to make big plays. But I think his biggest problem is he does not see the field that well, and is weak at reading defenses. That's the common thread in many of his problems. It's why he takes a three step drop and is still holding the ball after two seconds pass. It's why he still locks on receivers, and then misses other defenders coming off their assignments to make interceptions. It's even why he fumbles snaps, since he's already looking at the defenders and trying to figure out what to do. And it is certainly why he kills far too many plays and replaces them with non-productive ones. I think he just may not be all that smart, smart in the sense of having speed in his cognitive take on what he is seeing and not seeing. And if this were in his first season, there'd be reason to think he could overcome this problem. I am not saying at this point it is impossible for him to still overcome it, but that he still has this issue in year three has to make one wonder whether he ever will. Despite my recognition of what it will mean for the organization, the set back it will involve, I think what will happen is if he doesn't show improvement the rest of this season, the FO will have to look at going a different route at Qb this coming off season.
Right on target. I've been a Sanchez supporter, but his continuing inability to read defenses and make adjustments has to definetly plant doubt in your mind. For me the question is is it because he does not work hard enough, or does he lack the ability? If yes on the former, that can be fixed. If its the latter, we need a new QB.
Then, again, the Bills gave Trent Edwards a last chance under a new HC/OC in Chan Gailey, and it only took him two games to confirm that he wasn't an NFL QB. Sanchez, unfortunately for the Jets, appears to bear a very strong resemblance to Edwards. This is the quandry that all teams face in regards to finding a starting QB: how much do you invest in your "franchise" -- and there's no right answer. IMO, it's just a crap shoot. Teams suck and get the #1 pick. Some are Matthew Stafford and some are David Carr. Teams trade up. Some are Eli Manning and some are Mark Sanchez. Teams sit tight. Some are Aaron Rodgers and some are Joey Harrington. Teams pass on first rounders and take a QB in the second round. Some are Drew Brees and some are Kevin Kolb. Some teams fall in a manure pile and come up smelling like roses for finding great QBs in unlikely places. Tom Brady and Kurt Warner come to mind.
The announcers said it was either the OC or the QB. They put it out there in the. Good, someone has to go.
On 4 days rest and a mile high altitude, this defense played one helluva game. Thanks to the offense, they were on the field waay too long and really didn't get enough time between possessions to rest up. That Denver kept running the ball at the D played a large part in wearing them down as by the end of the game, the Jet D was absolutely GASSED. They could barely raise their arms up and looked like they had ankle weights on. Blame this one on the offense folks. Bad game plan, bad execution and I'm beginning to wonder about the quality of the personnel in the skilled positions as they tend to vanish at critical junctures.
I agree with this entirely. It's why I said that Sanchez resembled Edwards in my previous post. Edwards had these very same problems and did the very same things that Sanchez does. The worse part is that between making dumbass plays, this kind of QB plays just well enough to win against poor pass defenses and to pad his stats, so that it's hard not to give him one more chance -- and to blame everybody else for the offense's failure. It's the ability to make pre-snap reads, immediately recognize what's going on post-snap, and make a good decision that really separates NFL QBs from the guys who don't belong. It really isn't about anything else, not accuracy, not arm-strength, not all the crap that the draftniks rave about. It's about that totally intangible factor of seeing the defense and making an instant decision. PS -- it's amazing how a QB who can actually make a good pre-snap read can improve the OL BTW.
And this is the problem right there. Starting with last season the coaching staff has been so intent on Sanchez merely progressing by reducing his turnovers they have prohibited his ability to improve by making plays. He is never going to be able to consistently make throws if he has had it hammered into him to not turn the ball over. I am not giving Saanchez a pass for his apparent lack of ability but it starts with how Rex has chosen to develop him by hindering him. This is Rex's team and he is beginning to look completely incompetent in fielding or directing an offense.
Yes, and I am not saying I know the answer for sure, but at this point, three years in, I think it is lack of cognitive ability. Everything I hear is that Sanchez actually works very hard between games. I have never heard him called lazy. I don't think it's lack of effort. And lack of focus, which is a different problem even if it overlaps in some cases with lack of effort, is really a cognitive problem, too. One other point: People talk about giving Sanchez another shot with a different OC. Sounds good in theory, but... Who can we think of who is likely to be a good OC will be willing to take a chance and throw their lot in with someone as questionable as Sanchez? The Gailey situation is one where he had the resume and the commitment from the organization to give him the authority and confidence to go in and cut Edwards. The Jets I think would have to do something like that with a new OC coming into the Sanchez situation.
THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!!! I know I'm no armchair QB or footballogist, but it's been clear to me from year one, that the Jets made a huge mistake trading up in the draft for Mark Sanchez. Even based on their philosophy it didn't make sense. If you are going to be ground and pound, why trade up to the 5th overall pick to select a QB to manage your game and not lose it for you? Kellen Clemens could've done that! Instead, we keep seeing lots of young, QB's come into the league and show that they have a better grasp of the position than does Sanchez. I imagine it was all part of a PR move to get the young flashy, name recognition 1st round QB for the new CS, it will sell more jerseys (the Giants wrote the book on that one) but it has certainly not paid off for the Jets so far. And another thing, stop telling me about Sanchez's post season record, we won those games in spite of him playing QB. When we needed a QB to win us post season games in Indy and Pittsburgh, he failed horribly.
Obviously the CS has to do something if Sanchez turns the ball over too much. I think your assessment on that score is a bit harsh. Where Ryan needs to suck it up is in realizing that while he had a role in picking Sanchez for this team, and making a commitment to him, that commitment needs to be reevaluated and revisited from time to time. Like now. And if a fair assessment is that Sanchez's prospects going forward are not that good, it is up to Ryan to not only consider other options, but perhaps pursue one. Because if Ryan does not do that, and just goes on saying Sanchez is his man, then he may well find himself in trouble in keeping his own job.
Funny you should say that BB. I agree that Ryan needs to re-evaluate his over the top loyalty to his "guys" and that includes his coaches. He tends to view the Jets more like a fan than a coach in that his public "see no evil" approach is now beginning to wear on his credibility. His loyalty just might be his undoing at some point.
aGAIN, THE bRONCOS HAD THE BALL 27 MINUTES top. The last drive was 5 minutes. When the D took the filed for the last drive, they had played 22 minutes. Its a bullshit excuse to say they were tired. TOTAL BULLSHIT
Have you ever done anything in High altitude without being acclimated? On short rest as well? If so you'd wouldn't be saying this. The Jets D couldn't tackle, couldn't pursue, couldn't seal outside by the 4th qtr. The Denver running game did a "ground and pound" on the Jets D last night. We used to do that to other teams. Now they do it to us. Keep in mind that 27mins football time isn't 27mins real time.
There are two ways to get a qb to stop turning the balk over -- allow him to throw the ball and make plays so he actually gets better at making good throws and thus his increased skill level results in less bad throws. Or you do what Rex has done which has handcuffed Sanchez from making throws and getting better simply to reduce turnovers. Sure you reduce turnovers but you also reduce his ability to make good throws as well. The latter leads to a qb that simply does not get better because merely reducing turnovers does not equate to being better. And a qb that can't make good throws consistently from lack of doing so is still going to eventually make costly bad throws because he never got better to eliminate them to an acceptable amount. Coaching him to reduce or eliminate turnovers instead of making plays hasn't made him or the team better and is actually proving to hinder it. The problem is the Jets may have been too successful too soon and Rex felt to improve to the next level all they needed was to eliminate the mistakes rather than to actually get better. I think we are seeing that clearly isn't the case.
Eliminate all short passes from the playbook save HB screen. It's so ugly. The routes, the decision making, everything. I would rather run the ball for a gain of 1 than see markie throw wr screen(which has not worked once this year). Why!?!? is this play still called. The short passes are killing us. I have not seen one short pass go for a big play save the hb screens. I have not seen one big play! This is the slowest moving, lifeless and pathetic offense in awhile.
Offense is a total mess. 1. We have the skill players that would dictate a west coast type offense but do not have a QB with the field of vision or decision making ability to successfully execute that offense. 2. We have a HC who wants a run oriented offense to compliment his defensively focused approach to the game but we do not have the RBs or OL to execute consistently. 3. We have a OC who is not strong enough to put his own or better yet his key player's imprint on the direction of his unit but bounces back and forth between offensive identities. He consistently trys to gameplan and trick opponents. This is not necessarily bad but if it is done without any base identity, without operating from core strengths, it is mostly ineffective. If we are going to be a run oriented offense, we need an upgrade and more depth at RB, Blocking TE and at least one tackle position. As much as I like Keller, he is probably over kill in a run oriented offense. You also can survive without Plaxico. Draft an OT and trade Keller. Bring in a tall blocking TE with reasonable hands and upgrade at the second TE position. If we are going to be a west coast offense or even look to have an overall balanced attack, we need to upgrade at OT and QB. Best way to improve the defense right now is make the offense moderately effective.
