The Colts live and die by the pass. They pass to set up the run. No one really fears Indy's running game. They are a passing team, plain and simple. The Chargers have one of, if not the best player in the game in LT. One of the best TE's in the league. Must be nice to have that combination. Must be nice to have that threat behind the QB that defenses have to guard against on every single play. You can't possibly believe that doesn't make Rivers job a little easier. I'm not saying he's bad at all, but having IMO the league MVP running like he's running and catching passes out of the backfield (and even throwing some) makes a QB's job a little easier. Come on, the guy has 22 td's himself. That's more than a lot of teams combined. The Jets are trying to be a running team. They were force-feeding the run at times this year and focusing on that extensively by their own admission in practice. They WANT to be a running team. I'm not saying that Chad's been playing great lately, he hasn't. Even as a Chad supporter, I can admit that. But we are not the Colts, and we are not the Chargers. Completely different offensive philosophies between us and the Colts, not to mention they have had established offenses for years. Our offense is in its infancy. So basically, Chad has to put up numbers comparable to Peyton who's considered the top or second best QB in the league, or hand off to the league MVP for you to be satisfied? I'm not happy with Chad's production lately, but your expectations are way, way too high IMO.
Not comparing to Marino. But look at history an see how many times are 300 yard passers on the winning side. It is around 0.500 football. If you accept being 8-8 go for it.
If you're throwing for 300 yards, you're not blowing the other team out, it's the opposite. Either you can't run yourself which is why you need to pass so much, or you're behind. If you can run the football and you're blowing another team out, then you keep pounding it. Drew Brees just threw for 510 yards and lost the game. Most teams (not all) that throw for 300 yards are usually losing.
My expectations are too high? If I was overly dramatic, I'd find some bug eyed icon and use it. Btw, that's why I responded to you the first time, I hate that stupid roll eyes icon, it makes whoever uses it look smug and arrogant. But, let that is an aside, let's get back to the expectations thing. In the last 6 games, he's managed to get himself what would be the 33rd ranking in the league. A league where there are only 32 teams competing. For me to expect more than that, I don't think, is asking too much. On the SEASON, as if 6 games aren't enough to evaluate, he is entrenched in the bottom 10, and most of the guys below him either are not starters, or are rookies. By any objective measure, ANY fan should be demanding more from their starter. Check out the ESPN and sportsline power rankings this week, there are several QB mentions on this idea. It's the same story no matter who we have running back there and no matter how good the attack is. We had a freaking HoFer back there for years, and Chad still couldn't do anything. We ran all over the Bears the first half, but then they did what every other team does, they just stacked 8 in the box and completely played the run. Yeah LT is a great weapon, but he got shut down a hell of a lot more with Brees back there than he did with Rivers, and Brees is still better than Pennington even! Imagine how bad it is for the RBs with Pennington back there, killing the run game, and the the Chadinettes killing the RBs instead of putting some blame on the guy who can't force a defense to be honest. Throwing 5 yard dumpoffs is not going to loosen the defense. Honestly, how can you not see a problem in Chad's play? It's getting absurd to me now. Boozer's comments at JN sum up my thoughts, we should probably continue this there if you want.
No, that's just stupid. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have been throwing for 300 yard games left and right and winning blowouts. Are you kidding me? So you think when a good QB is having a good game, as soon as he throws for 300 yards his team just loses? I have no idea how you got to that thought process. Just pointing to cases where a team is losing and has to throw to catch up should tip you off that if you throw well to begin with you'd win easier. If running the ball got you wins, then teams would just run the ball a lot after being down a lot. You run the ball to waste clock, that's why teams that are ahead like to run the ball. If you're in a close game or actually looking to win by a decent margin, you throw for the points. Running the ball isn't what gets you ahead in the first place, although a balanced offense doesn't hurt, not throwing the ball well means your offense isn't balanced either.
I don't know how many times I have to say Chad has played poorly. He has. I just don't have the hatred you do for him. And I'd continue it on JN but you have me on ignore there, remember? :wink:
Brady has thrown for over 300 yards twice this year and won 1 and lost one. Every game he threw for under 200 yards he won. Yards do not tell the story. In those games where he threw for over 300 yards, the maroney and dillon had 52 and 21 yards combined. The passing game really, really opened up the running game.
The point with Pennington is not whether he has 300 yards or not. He (like any QB - whether he has a rocket or not) can be effective throwing for under 200 yards or for over 300 yards. It all depends on the game circumstances. However, 9 times out of 10 when you throw 2 INT's and 0 TD's you are going to lose the game.
If you had read my other posts in this thread you would see more of what I am getting at. I do not think Chad ever has to have one of these games, he just has to win. However, in all his games as Jet, he has never lit up a top five defense (top five at that time) he has only had 4 games at 300 yards and all four of those games came against defesnses that have been average at best. The game this year against the Pats, he had A LOT of help from Coles and Cothcery to put up those #'s. Me personally, I do not care about any stat accept the old "W." I know this though, QB's become "elite" by winning Champiosnips (i.e. Brady) or by going out and lighting up all types of defenses consistently (Marino, Peyton). I'll take the championship please..
510 yards to be exact. He pulled off an Elvis Grbac Special. Elvis Grbac- the King of Hollow Passing Statistics
I agree, Chad will do well, i really do put some of the blame on schott (even though i like him) for chad not having anymore 300 yd games bc the jets run the ball so much, and they do not stretch the field. Also, who knows how many pass plays Chad audibles out of when hes at the line in favor of a run play.
I think we all need a healthy respect for the next six games. We "should" win these games, but that is precisely why I'm afraid of some of them. History tells us those are always the most dangerous. We'll be playing some teams that don't have anything to lose. Individuals on those teams are fighting for their very jobs because they know, as losers, changes are coming and they might not even be in the NFL next year. Put a bunch of individuals together who are fighting for their jobs and their pride and you've got a loose, reckless cannon. We, on the other hand, will have everything to lose, especially if we make it to 7-5 and keep tossing around the "P" word jokingly in the locker room. Overconfidence and lack of concentration can easily leave us with a record of 7-9 this year, especially with a team as young and inexperienced as ours.
Chad doing well against this particular team really won't serve to impress me much. When you excel against the bottom-feeders but can't hold your own against more established teams, consistently, what does that say about you as a QB? I'm not even going to get into the Cleveland debacle!
I like chad and only wish him success but thats a great point. when your qb can only play great against the worst, that says something. im only saying this because we need him to be consistent, and then those who would follow chad to the end of the earth would point to a game like this as his "redemption game" when in fact schooling this piss poor pass defense is something that should almost be expected of him.
