There is no denying that Chad played a horrible game against Chicago that cost us the game. But to say that his arm stregth cost us that game is another thing altogether. He telegraphed the interception in the end zone, it was picked off because his eyes never left the one WR he was staring down while ignoring a wide open Coles in the corner of the end zone. His second interception in that game was a HORRIBLE decision that should have never been thrown but again had NOTHINg to do with his arm strength.. I'm not sold on Pennington as the future QB but to talk about it now, at the end of a great season that he is a major reason behing is mind boggling. Let the season unfold, just like the CS will.
It's funny you and your buddies tell everyone else they don't acknowledge the bad stuff about Pennington...yet he made a very good argument with his post and basically proved you wrong, and what do you do? You ignore him and keep babbling on. I think you have way too much free time:up:
I think everyone of the people who are "pro-Chad" will freely admit that he has a week arm and would like to see the strength that he displayed earlier in the year. Hopefully he will after another offseason. However, none of the people on this board know if this will be the case. Please, can someone explain to me how he let Washington "out to dry"? I keep hearing it over and over as if was fact. Did he not have to lob the ball over Jason Taylor who had snuffed out the play already started to run toward Washington (watch the tape of the game). If he had thrown the ball to Washington without the arc it probably would have been intercepted and all of the "anti-Chad" people would have been bitching. The fact that Washington got creamed has nothing to do with Chad's arm strength. It's a play that everyone on this board has seen hundreds of times in many by all types of QB's.
You are absolutely correct that had the ball been thrown without the arc it would have been intercepted. It isn't the fact that he didn't throw the ball with zip into Jason Taylor, it's the fact that he throw a lob over Taylor when Washington was being covered with no shot to make a move and get a positive play. There is nothing wrong with throwing a ball away on a busted play.
He proved me wrong by invoking the name of Ryan Leaf? I could tell you all the wonderful stories of failures with weak arms, but you know, you probably wouldn't have heard of them since they weren't drafted and are now bagging groceries. Chad obviously has "something" that lets him succeed as a mediocre QB in the NFL when his physical skills are far below the NFL level. That "something" just isn't enough to make up for his physical deficiencies when he's relied upon.
The fact that Pennington has a weaker arm doesn't necessarily mean that his WR's will get injured more than other QB's. We've all seen plays where inacurrate throws cause just as much damage. The QB rifles the ball in there the WR has to move, extend his arms and he gets popped. It's happened a thousand times if its once. Having watched a lot of other games I don't think that Pennington has necessarily put the ball in a position where the WR has to jump to catch the pass more than other QB's do. Now you might say that why don't we get a QB that can see the play before it develops, have the arm strength to get every pass in there when there is plenty of cushion, and is completely accurate. Well, if you can find one available in free agency give me a call.
When they go over that tape Leon is going to look at that and wonder why he did throw it his way. I just hope that this does not play on his mind.
Originally Posted by johnny Please, can someone explain to me how he let Washington "out to dry"? I keep hearing it over and over as if was fact. Did he not have to lob the ball over Jason Taylor who had snuffed out the play already started to run toward Washington (watch the tape of the game). If he had thrown the ball to Washington without the arc it probably would have been intercepted and all of the "anti-Chad" people would have been bitching. The fact that Washington got creamed has nothing to do with Chad's arm strength. It's a play that everyone on this board has seen hundreds of times in many by all types of QB's. Thanks Winston for responding. My point wasn't that it was a good play or a bad play. My point was that arm strength was not an issue in this case. And most of the "anti-Chad" people have used that play as an arm strength argument as to why the Jets must get rid of Pennington. And while you make the argument that Pennington should have thorn it away (a valid point) it shouldn't really have a place in this argument. If we indict every QB that threw a screen pass where his RB got leveled we wouldn't have any people left to play behind the center.
And the posts that have responded to me these last few posts show me how little anyone even bothers to read an opposing viewpoint. My biggest point was about COLES. You know, our STAR WR who got absolutely drilled while off his feet in Miami. On a SHORT pass. If this was the first, second, or even third time he was slow to get up due to a ball moving in slow motion, I wouldn't be complaining. But like I keep repeating, this happens EVERY WEEK. How many times has Coles been slow to get up because he spent far too long in the air trying to lasso a Chad floater, and got drilled for his trouble? But people will continue to ignore it until Coles is out indefinitely. Then they'll point a finger at Coles and blame the injury on his mouth.
So does Chad win games, or lose them? If it's not his arm strength, then he made bad decisions, which it seems some people around here refuse to admit he makes. As for talking about it now, I want to know why it's so taboo? Why should we just sit back and pretend everything is roses and rainbows in The Meadowlands? It's not. When we were winning earlier in the season, it was okay for people to rip apart the defense for any minor failure, whether it cost us the game or not. Now that they're showing they were better than advertised, no one is dogging them anymore, and everyone seems to have forgotten all the shit they talked. Chad started off strong, and finished weak. Yet he is off limits to discuss realistically? I don't understand that. No one is denying facts here. Yes, Chad has been winning. Yes, he has managed a few long plays (if you discard the athleticism of the receivers.) Yes, he is a brilliant QB. At the same time, he throws balls up that when not intercepted, are due more to a misplay by the defender (which SHOULD have happened in Miami, yet no one wants to acknowledge it, simply because it didn't happen.) He blew it in Chicago, but somehow he gets a pass. His great football mind ruined the game, but since it wasn't necessarily his arm, THAT'S excused too. So when we win, it's all Chad. When we lose, it's everyone else. Amazing, the sunshiners remind me of someone. I can't quite place the name right now, but the words D-Caf, and Mooooooovers, come to mind...
Just to clarify, until we have a better option, I would not want to give up on Pennington at all. I think he is highly limited but is still a top QB as this league is currently constructed. I much prefer a QB who can throw the ball into spots with Zip because the game is all about controlling real estate on the field and the more realestate the QB makes the D cover the easier it is for the O to score. That said right now Pennington isn't killing our cap and he is doing an effective job managing the O. I fully trust Mangini to make a move only if he has a better option. Right now we don't have one so making a change would be insane.
The funny thing about the Chad sunshiners and bringing up the fact of, "well, look at Kyle Boller and Ryan Leaf; they had strong arms." I have a better idea - remove your head from your rear for a second and listen: It's not his arm strength that gets us, necessarily, or at least me: BEFORE his two surgeries, I was completely fine with his mediocre/below average arm strength; he still had zip on his short passes and even medium ranger, and he could bear down and make the long throws when it was necessary. NOW, however, AFTER TWO surgeries, his arm is beyond horrible. That zip he had is once again. Nearly EVERYTHING floats; whether it's an RB in the flat, a TE 10 yards down the field, or a WR stretching the field, his passes float. It leaves the players exposed to be hit hard, causing drops, fumbles, or worse, injuries. It leaves the ball exposed to be easily picked off or batted down. I don't necessarily want arm like Boller's just because it's a strong arm; I want an arm that is attached to a smart QB but is also capable of making the passes that need to be made.
I know I never said that. I've been saying the Jets go as Chad goes. But that is because we do not have a strong running game yet.
That sounds like you're saying that if we win, it's because of Chad, but if we lose, it's because we have no running game.
This is what I'm talking about: This QB has not played well the past 2 weeks. Two weeks ago he was 8-23, 97 yds, and 2 INTs. Last week, he was 10-30 for 181 yds and 2 TDs. That guy is Phillip Rivers. He won those games because he had a back that rushed for 322 yards in those same two weeks.
That's not really fair. If LT was running in green and white, I highly doubt this thread ever gets started.
