The Jets have 2 choices here regarding Chad 1)Keep him as your starting QB.Clemens sits for this year at least. Draft or obtain during free agency a decent OL and you'll win 10 or 11 games with a revamped defense. 2)Trade Chad for a 2nd or 3rd rd draft pick and keep Clemmens as your starting QB.Be prepared to go .500 or worse as Clemmens earns his stripes as an NFL QB. Forget about having these guys compete for the starting QB. Chad would win hands down and you would split the team with this plan. Better to pick one guy and go with him until he costs you the playoffs. Looking at the available veteran QB's available Pennington is the best choice for a team looking for a viable NFL QB who can manage and win you a football game.
We could also discuss all the throws to the Defensive backs to end games. Please reference the Giants, both Bills, Eagle and Bengal games this year. He does not make more throws than he makes. Yes the O-line was bad and the defense did nothing but he also did nothing to help us win this year. He is done face it and move on.
Chad will not get us past the first round with a rebuilt team. He has reached his ceiling and that is not good enough. It's time to go with the rookie behind door number 2!
What you don't get is that you don't rebuild over years in the NFL anymore. If this staff and management doesn't win next year they might be out the door too. They don't have years to play with, they have to win or at least compete in 2008. So I'll ask again, if you get rid of Chad who do you bring in that is better? Because if Clemens doesn't cut it, if he even wins the job, we're going to need someone. Give me a solution then, names. Not just "Move on", blah blah blah, give me a name, a solution.
I must of missed something during pre season. Chad sucked in pre season and KC was looking good and much better then Chad and they still wasted time and put Chad in there at the beginning of the season. Wasted 6 games that KC should of been in there.
Chad could not do better than 8-5 with the leading rusher, a top 5 offensive line and a top 4 defense in 2004. He has never won 11 games in a regular season. None of that is going to miraculously change if the Jets fix the offensive line next year. Maybe in Madden. The Jets will have to get very lucky to get a 4th round pick for him in trade right now. They can probably pull that off but not if they sit on their hands while the teams in need find other options at QB.
Champ? hahahahahahha. Thanks man That is pretty damn funny. I have said this and I will say it again. I am willing to give KC another year. Why? Because it is the rare rookie or any QB that comes in an instantly lights it up. Rarer still one with a shitty O-line and injury depleted WR's. If my job depended on it, I would do my best to shore up the O-line by bringing in one of the following....... Jordan Gross, Faneca, Justin Brown, Smiley, Starks. In other words get a decent starting RT and LG. That will give KC more than adequate line in front of him. Then I would also bring in 1-2 more WR's I have seen Berrian names bandied about or draft a big wideout for the future. Again I do not see how my first or second response was an affront to you or Chad, it is nothing personal. BTW here is a perfect response:
Did anybody beat New England this year? Perhaps if they didn't go back to Brad Smith on 4th and 2 after that pass, if Clemens didn't put us in a 7-0 hole or if JMac holds onto a TD we win the game. We're either discussing whether Chad can throw or not, if you want to get into a bigger discussion we'll have the same debates over and over.
This is a start, but I'm looking for a QB name that will be an upgrade from Chad. We're looking to upgrade the team, you don't do that by downgrading at QB. Of course we're going to try to fix the O-line, but that is also easier said than done. Clemens could easily be hurt again or ineffective again behind the line we put out there, so who do you have if you get rid of Chad? You guys are ready to write off another season to get more work for one guy? Who is now putting an individual ahead of the team? We just sat through a bad season of hoping Clemens will get it, you want to sit through another and not even try to win? Just say we're "rebuilding"? Not me.
Why are you people so bent out of shape because Chad would be too expensive a backup???? Clemens is getting paid peanuts as a "starter" so doesn't that balance out. Besides, Clemens looks pretty bad in his second season and I'm not about to put everything we've got into him. KEEP CHAD, he gives us the best chance to win I don't care if he's boring. If we fix our O-line he should be able to win 8 games for us next season. Clemens might be good some day, but he's not good enough to win the job completely right now (look at Losman).
Exactly. I'm not even saying give Chad the job, let them compete, that's what the NFL is. Better guy plays, if he fails the other guy plays. I don't know what the Clemens people are so afraid of. If Chad can't throw then Clemens should have no problem winning the job. Mangini has already refused twice to name Clemens the starter going into next year, that should tell you it will be open for competition. Largely because his job will depend on the outcome.
We sat through a bad season because Chad was done. We were 1-7 before Kellen was given the reigns so don't pretend like Kellen didn't get it. If Chad could throw of if he got it as you explained then why were we 1-7 when he was benched? Qb's that have it or get it don't get benched at 1-7 after facing the Bills twice, Cincy and Philly. The only game he escaped in was the Layup vs the Dolphins. Kellen didn't get it and won three games and should have won five. We are never ready to write off a season but these are the cards we have been dealt and the Front office has to act accordingly. A veteran backup will be found someplace. Daunte Culpepper etc, etc, etc. Even if we keep Chad and Clemens comes in we are still not going to win so why have his cap number on the team when you can use the money to upgrade someplace else. Makes no sense to keep him. The point is there might not be an upgrade over Chad but the fact remains that we are a bad football team and it is going to take at least another year before we see the light of day. The best possible scenario is we are 8-8 next year and we go into the offseason with some promising upsets against good teams.
As bad as KC was, his record was 3-4, as a starter. That was with a truly pathetic O-line and an depleted WR corp. The same one Chad went 1-8 with. Solidifying the O-line and getting a weapon or two in addition to L. Coles and Cotch is not, I repeat not, writing any season off. Giving KC an opportunity with better weapons and protection up front is not giving up by any means. I guess our definitions of best chance to win are different.
Chad's ceiling is established. He's not going to magically improve and he is what he is: very accurate to about 8 yards, consistently inaccurate at any distance further than that. Who cares if he throws a good ball on a 15 yard out every now and then if he can't do it consistently? The evidence this year says he can't. As for Clemens, this O-line set his development back about 2 years. He looks skittish and gun-shy, and he doesn't trust his protection or his receivers (justifiably) He needs an offseason and training camp as the starter, and he needs a better o-line, before we know what he can be. He doesn't look consistently accurate, but how much of that is happy feet and a lack of time in the pocket? I think we make him the starter, get a backup in free agency for less money than Chad, and see if Clemens is indeed an upgrade from Chad.
Who will play QB in 2008 may come down to Mangini's job security.Giving him an 2 year extension with a decent bump in $$$ would make Clemmens a better option from his viewpoint as it gives him time to build with youth. No extension and Pennington might be his best option in terms of winning 8 - 10games in 2008.
Great. I can't wait to see more 15play/60yd drives that die in the redzone. No wonder this team hasn't won sh!t in almost 4 decades..
Please. Both guys beat Miami, the Pittsburgh and KC games were 13-10 in OT, much more because our D stepped up after the bye week than due to QB play. For a closer look: Pennington opponents: New England 16-0 Miami 1-15 Buffalo 7-9 NY Giants 10-6 Philadelphia 8-8 Cincinnati 7-9 Buffalo 7-9 New England 16-0 Tennessee 10-6 Total 82-62 .569 5 playoff teams Clemens opponents: Baltimore 5-11 Washington 9-7 Pittsburgh 10-6 Dallas 13-3 Miami 1-15 Cleveland 10-6 Kansas City 4-12 Total 52-60 .464 3 playoff teams Regarding next year, I'm all for giving Clemens a shot. Let him win the job in camp and win games, I'd be all for it. I'm also for having a plan in case he fails so that the whole season doesn't turn to shit.
I think Chad is on the Vinny progression at this point and will never win more than a few games in a season again. The Jets flaws on the offensive line really hurt him this year, but he also made some very bad decisions and he displayed less arm strength than he had in the past. It wasn't one thing that got him, it was a little bit of everything. That's the hallmark of a player on the decline.
You realize Chad is younger now than Vinny was when we got him 10 years ago? Neither here nor there, just something I find pretty amazing. Probably more a testament to the shape Vinny keeps himself in.
