Leg, I was not being critical of your efforts, sorry if it came across that way, my comments were based on the guy narrating the video. Guy was throwing everyone under the bus on that team but Hackenberg. I gave Hack credit for playing well when he had Bill Obrien as his HC and Allen Robinson as his WR, whom I was a big fan of and wanted the jets to select by the way. Anywho, he still had some inconsistencies even with BOB, sometimes the hype around some of the guys is ramped up by a bunch of talking heads and they end up being JAG football player.
the video is a little unfair. He's not just "a brain" he has the physical tools and at times in his college career he DID make plays against top defenses.
He was a true freshman under Bill O'Brien though. Of course he would've had some inconsistencies. He was like a couple of months removed from playing high school ball.
Who is the doofus on the video? At the 10:30 mark he gushes about the read Hack made and how it "spooked" the Temple D and then claims that Hack threw the ball away rather than throw it into unfavorable coverage. That's absolute BS. He had one-on-one coverage, had a clear and relatively easy throw to the receiver and could have picked up at least 20 yards on the play. Following the throw, one can clearly see that Hack is upset with himself for missing the receiver, yet the dumbass doing the analysis totally missed that and tries to claim that Hack threw the ball away. ROFLMAO!
That video doesn't do him any favors in my book. Hackenberg against Temple looked to have made some good adjustments, but failed time and time again to get the team into the right play. Temple took that man back to school. He understands how to make changes happen, but that video showed me made a lot of bad decisions that day. That's Hackenberg in a nutshell though.
he was bad in the Temple game. I am not going to deny that. its impossible. that was a damn good D though and Hackenberg by all means isn't a 1st round prospect or anything, because of games like this. hes got flaws but players drafted where he will be drafted always do. I just think he has some potential in the NFL and I would not hate it if our Jets were the team to dip their toes in the water with him
For those that do not like him I would think there has to be a round where he becomes a value pick. The question is what round?
I think he's got potential, but I don't think he will achieve it with the Jets especially who exactly aren't great at developing QBs. Whoever drafts him will need to reteach a lot of things and I think we already have a player like that in Petty. I think he would be a good fit with the Cowboys, he can sit and learn behind Romo. THAT SAID If he's actually available in like the 4th or 5th rounds, I would find it hard not to select him though because of the skill-set he has, but I really do question his decision making.
So I've been watching more tape on him. The 2 biggest thing I've noticed is his lazy footwork especially in the shotgun which leads to inaccurate throws. He also needs to work on using touch more rather than trying to fast ball everything. I know he's aware of the former and has been working with Jordan Palmer to address that; the latter is probably something he can only work on when he's actually playing. I'm curious to know what else you think he needs to relearn. Lastly, I would compare him to Petty who had to learn things for the first time when he got drafted despite being 4 years his senior.
He needs to relearn the fundamentals. Awareness in the pocket needs major work, decision making as a whole needs major work. When I view the Temple tape, I see a guy that is too slow in terms of evaluating the field, identifying blitzes and making reads [in which he put the team in bad situations the entire game]. His whole pre / post snap process needs to be scrapped and developed over again in a way. He needs to go back look at his tape and fix his ability to read the field pre and post snap and that's a very hard thing to accomplish. It's almost putting him in the same category as a Spread QB. We didn't even get to the physicals which he's show inconsistencies throwing down the field. If you don't have a QB guru around, don't even bother drafting him.
Whoah you saw all that from that game? I just a guy who has develop a couple of pretty bad habits (i.e., flat/back foot throws and eyeing the rush instead of the field) because he been taking a pounding behind an aggressively poor offensive line. There's a play where Temple was able to collapse the pocket, force him from his spot and sack him with rushing JUST 2 D-LINEMEN!!! When given time, I find that pre and post snap reads are pretty good, dare I say advanced for a true junior. Being that he just turned 21, maybe he is not completely David Carr'ed
I've seen a decent # of Penn State's games, because I was really hoping that kid would break out and be a really good QB now and in the future. That Temple game really exposed Hackenberg. There was a play in that highlight specifically where the tackle got beat on a screen pass, but Hack still had about another second or 2 to get it out to the receiver quickly [around the 7 min mark]. I think he's got that deer in the headlights thing going on. That one play where Temple rushed 2 was flat out embarrassing, and that one I have to put on the line, but Hack could've avoided maybe 2 or 3 sacks that game. I think he made some adjustments that game which were warranted, but he made some poor choices in terms of changing the play to the right one. Temple did an excellent job, it was almost too easy though for Temple at times. That was one ugly ass game though.
If it's the play I'm thinking of, I don't think he did have the time to throw to the receiver. If I remember correctly, the LT was beaten quickly and immediately off the snap. I don't think even Wayne Hunter was ever that much of a matador. That LT is the worst I've ever seen. I think he needs to give up football. The receiver and blocking receiver had barely taken a step and I don't think were even looking in Hack's direction. The thing that concerns me, he seems to have no feel for the rush. He just stands there most of the time like a statue. There was one play where I think it may have been a stunt or a delayed rush, and the rusher came right up the middle. Hack should have seen him out of the periphery of his vision or felt him, and rolled right and gotten rid of the ball. Instead he just stood there staring downfield and took a sack.
The NFL is so QB hungry that he might go in the 3rd. I don't know if you have read my conversation with NC, we discussed the constant reaching for QBs and how many times are the jets going to try to make a 4th round QB selection a project? In my opinion, he is probably a 4th round pick, however those guys are a long shot to make it in the NFL, we have not even given Petty a chance in real time meaningful games and we are already looking at another possible 4th round project QB. Constantly Drafting QBs in later rounds and trying to develope them is not a recipe for success.
Many successful GMs believe drafting a GM every year or every other year is good football business. I think the disconnect between fans and teams is the "development" part. I don't think there are a lot teams developing QBs in the NFL. There's really not that kind of time available to do that. Whether there's a franchise QB or not, teams will draft a mid to late round QB with the hopes of landing the next Brady or Wilson. Those 2 were not developed, they just slipped through the cracks. Most if any development that occurs is done so by the player on his own. That's why common denominator among the QBs drafted beyond the 2nd round that do make it is great intangibles.
Your right about the development part, the question then becomes, is it necessary for a young QB to sit for a year before letting them play? With the exception of a small group of coaching staffs, none last long enough to develope QBs. It's a double edged sword for the QBs coming into the league.
I don't know about you, but I saw PLENTY of hesitation on that play and yes we are talking about the same play-action screen pass. Wayne Hunter was worse, but that's just goes to show his lack of football awareness in the pocket.
I like Hackenberg later in the draft. He seems to have tremendous upside as a player, although drafting for solely upside is a tough way to really measure a player. I have a feeling someone is going to reach real high on him. He had little help at Penn State after being crippled by the NCAA sanctions. They cannot exceed 65 scholarship players from 2014-2017. They were limited to only 15 scholarships in 2013-2014. The problem with him seems to be his accuracy, and that's not a very good skill to be lacking as you enter the NFL.
He's attractive later in the draft more so because of his football character and intangibles rather than upside, which I will admit he also has in spades. Rarely, do QBs drafted beyond the first succeed but the ones that do are the ones with great character and intangibles. If we are interested on just upside, then Cardale would be the guy.
