Wow. Some of you come up with some unreal posts after a loss. I'm sorry I even stopped by and read this crap. See you guys next week. I hope you can settle down by then.
Buddy Hackett... lets not get crazy... this is, so far anyway, a bad patch... if they don't change then yeah there is a problem. The need to stop being so god damn cute and get to the line and run a friggin play. Why are we pointing at people for 20 seconds anyway... we aren't fooling anyone... except ourselves, and causing penalties by the feeble minded, like McCariens, who can't catch either, or remember to stay onsides, or by our young line with false starts... it's rediculous... for a coaching staff that said they want to help put the players in the best position to win, the have definatey found positions that will always help them lose. Ellis
That's b/c I am not an irrational fan. Just b/c you win one game doesn't make you great, just b/c you lose one game doesn't mean the season is over and you need change. I endorse change when it's right not b/c my team goes through a little slump. If the yanks changed Mangers this year when irrational fans like you wanted to w wouldn't be playing tomorrow night. The pattern is his teammates aen't showing up, we actually gave NE their toughest game so far and that game turned for good on a KR TD but I'm sure that was Chad's fault too, right?
Let me get this straight... you admit you've never endorsed any kind of change in any sport you watch & then think anything you say should be taken seriously? And the sad part is I know you mean it... "Why change the pants I just took a shit in? It's only one bad day for the pants & it wasn't the pants fault I took a shit in them anyway" - juckian policy
NYjunc-"That's b/c I am not an irrational fan. Just b/c you win one game doesn't make you great, just b/c you lose one game doesn't mean the season is over and you need change. I endorse change when it's right not b/c my team goes through a little slump. If the yanks changed Mangers this year when irrational fans like you wanted to w wouldn't be playing tomorrow night." Lets see-every football game is 10 baseball games, so we are around mid-may in baseball terms, and just like the yanks we are far out of then playoffs at this time.Seems to me the "manager' of the yanks-read cashman here- not only made drastic changes in midseason-Clemens, Jobba, duncan, damon in left and so on, without which there would be no yankee game tomorrow, he handed down some rules to torre for "manging" the game with jobba. In other words, cashman made dramatic changes to allow the best players to play their best positions, giving the team the best chance to win games. Hummmmmmmmmmmm!
Pennington had all day to throw and we didn't try and establish the run to determine if we have one or not.
Where did I say I never endorse change? I said I am not irrational like you and I don't jump of the deep end thinking we need a change b/c we lose a game or 2. You guys were calling for Torre's head all 1st half, I said we'd be fine as Joe has led us back before and as usual I was right.
So what changes have you endorsed? and keep saying "guys like me" have you begun to notice everyone getting uncomfortable when you walk into a room yet?
Ollie you have to stop letting him get to you. The "guys like you" comment is the same as the whiners, ax to gring, irrational, etc. etc. etc. He is basically personally attacking people who disagree with him and the Mods continually allow it because his form of trolling invites discussion.
discussion from other trolls & new members (which is fine as long as he doesn't chase them off with his antics)... all junk does IMO it keep the quality members away from any discussion he's in...but that's the mods & admins decision so, so be it... he's now on my ignore list...
I find him amusing, he is either a really good troll or I imagine he is turning blue, pounding his desk in disbelief that people don't see his opinion as absolute truth. I think troll is more likely.
well don't get me wrong... the I must respond thread was 20 + pages that delivered over and over again...:rofl:
Well, since we've been dragged into this, I guess junc's arguing style is pretty unique in the he automatically categorizes those who don't understand his train of thought as inferior and dumb. It's really impossible to influence him in any way because he's stuck on the fact that whetever he says is Fact even though it's really opinionated and a matter of perspective.
MM... I hope you don't think I was attacking you or the mods... I wasn't... as far as junks "style" goes.. he just sticks to his guns and throws out his "FACTS" until the other person just gives up, then he gloats as if it's his great knowledge.. I'd rather debate Ahmadinejad about gays in Iran or the holocust because he'd conceed more than junk does on sports... IMO his act drives more people away than actually will engage him... and I think thats bad for the sports forums..
I couldn't care less if people get uncoomfortable w/ me. I am rational, I am not endorsing firing/trading/releasing/benching just b/c one of my teams has a bad game or 2. I was on board w/ Chad taking over for vinny in '02, I was ok w/ the Yanks letting Joe go after last postseson, I was ok w/ the Herm to Mangini situation, I was on board when UNC fired Doherty and replaced him w/ Roy. I overract during games but once I have a chance to calm down and see things rationally I don't overreact and you guys need to step back, look at the situation and realize that QB is one of the least of our concerns. There might be a time i say it's time for Clemens(if we keep losing and drop put of the race then I'll agree) but that time hasn't arrived yet. It' ok that you and a boatload of others have attacked me over the years but one time I call out the whiners(obviously you are sensitive to it for some reason) it's a big deal. Stop whining and look at things rationally and you won't get so upset. All I do is bring facts and the truth to the discussion. Not all "fans" habve to be irrational and call for the Coaches head after a loss, call for the benching of a player after a loss or call for the Gm to be fired after a loss. I enhance any discussion I am in b/c I don't just go along w/ the crow like you do, I have my own opinionas. I don't get them from other posters or ESPN and I clearly and rationally pos my opinions while folks like you cannot handle that or some reason. I am a rational, educated fan. All of my posts are back w/ good explanations. Instead of attacking you can pay attention and learn a few things. That is incorrect, in this situation I have called out the irrational morons but I generally don't do that and my arguments can be swayed a bit if people id a better job of convinving me that I was wrong but that rarely happens. What style should I have? should I go along w/ the mob? what fun would that be? I am mre knowledgable than most on this board, I have opinions, I back them up. folks like you go w/ the flow and don't provie any facts to support your opinions but you think youare right b/c most of the board agrees w/ you. which style of poster makes the board better? I think we both known the answer.
Junc, you continually laugh out loud, name call and tell us you speak the truth. That's your style and it's not making the board better. I don't think anyone has any problem with your defending Chad, Herm or killing Mangini. It's the fact you have such low estem for your own opinion that you feel the need to demean other opinions that rubs me and apparently others. I still respond to you on your opinions, but until you start acting with a little civility, I'm going to respond to that as well.
I don't demean others typically, I am always 100% confident in my posts that I know I am right most of the time and I understand my confidence might rub some people the wrong way but all you have to do to shut me up is prove me wrong. It rarely happens. Once again though it's ok for others to bash me all the time but i call the irrational Chad haters morons and that's a hige problem. I would respect this opinion more if in he pat you called out those that attecked me and it appens all the time b/c those folks cannot hang w/ me in a debate and they get personal. My attack is a generalization, not personal. those who take it personal must think it applies to them and it bothers them b/c they know the truth down deep.
Name calling is not a sign of confidence, it's a sign that you're a bully and the last thing bully's can deal with is someone standing up to them. It's not your confidence, it's your name calling and outright lack of respect for other peoples opinions that rub me. People with confidence in their opinions have cogent arguments that they are confident in, the don't attack people they are having a friendly conversation with.
