His mechanics are incredibly unorthodox, long throwing motion, almost like a pitcher in baseball, he tries to get by with his arm strength alone and doesn't always utilize his lower body to produce power and structure through the throws. The Texas Tech system is also one that is questionable given that its not pro-style and I feel as if Mahomes usually goes through 1-2 progressions, versus the 3-4-5 NFL QB's may need to go through. I think sometimes he gets too cute trying to extend plays, when he should really throw the ball away. IMO, he's a gunslinger. He throws the ball up for grabs a lot. Needs to do a better job of taking calculated risks. With that being said, I think he has a great deal of athleticism, has prototypical QB height with an almost 6'4 frame, has a cannon of an arm. Mechanics can be fixed though. I for sure think he needs a season or two in order to fix mechanics/learn pro style offense. Ultimately, I think hes a gamer, a QB that can turn a game around, but like I said his mechanics/decisions on the field need to be worked on if he wants to elevate himself in the NFL and reach that "boom" label I gave him.
With the punting we've had in recent years we can bring him out on 4th down and the chuck the fucker 65 yards.
PLEASE thats Texas Tech NOT A&M. Watch some of the videos attached to this thread. He is very good at making numerous reads.
Yea I accidentally typed A&M rather than tech. I don't think he's bad at going through progressions, I just wanted to see more of it. Texas Tech runs the Air-Raid system that relies on pre-snap matchups rather than post-snap adjustments, etc. I'm certainly not knocking him as a prospect. Like I've stated, he has the most potential in this class. I just think that he has some work to do. Also, Macc investing another high pick in a QB will certainly call into question his ability to scout the QB position. Would not bode well for his career with Jets
"Mechanics" aren't the only thing that's important. In fact, I'd say it's down the list. Mahomes has proven that he can make ALL the required throws with zip, AND throws that other QBs only dream of, despite his "bad" mechanics. Did you ever see Elway when he came into the league? Farve? And yes, those guys made mistakes, but they also - most importantly - allowed their team to win SBs. I'll gladly settle for Mahomes "bad" mechanics if he even gets them to a SB. And if they draft him - and I pray they have the balls to do it - they'd better let him compete for the starting job right away. Enough of this "Sit on the sideline and "learn"" bullshit!
You astutely pointed out his negatives. Every QB in the class have their own set of negatives. I still don't see why Mahomes' negatives make him the biggest bust potential out of the whole class. IMO guys like Kizer and Trubisky, are bigger bust risks than Mahomes.
Here's my take on the "mechanics" debate as it relates to Mahomes. I, personally, would not call his mechanics bad; instead, I would label it as inconsistent. Reason being there are times where he displays excellent mechanics and other times he does whatever he wants. He's so talented he can get away with it. The flashes of excellent mechanics lead me to believe that with the proper coaching he can become consistent at it. Kingsbury is in the business of winning college football games, not preparing QBs for the pro game. As a result, Mahomes' fundamentals leave you wanting. Despite, his inconsistent mechanics he was, for the most part, consistently accurate in college. Compare that to Hackenberg who in college displayed accuracy problems when his mechanics good and bad. This is similar the debate I had with 101GangGreen101 in ad nauseam about Mariota's footwork leading up to the 2015 draft. Despite never taking snaps from center you could see from the way he moved in the pocket that taking snaps from center should not be an issue. Scouts need to get over their hang ups on prospects' mechanics, footwork and/or system they played in and start evaluating/projecting as their job title demands because the days of the "pro-ready" QB are ending.
IMO those QB's do not have the upside that Mahomes has. Coming into the league, i think the likes of Trubisky and Kizer are "safer" picks, but that does not mean I believe they are destined to be better than Mahomes in the NFL. Mahomes is the kinda QB that, with the proper coaching, can become a star in the NFL.
Competing for the starting job right away is often times a quick way of screwing a QB up. In the NFL a lot of great QB's have had the luxury of learning for a few years and then getting the opportunity. Mahomes, I think, needs to become more sound mechanically because the flick of the wrist throws that are amazing in college become interceptions in the NFL. Again, I do not think Mahomes is bad, I think he has great potential to be a really good QB in the NFL, but I also think he will need the right situation and some coaching in order to fix that. Actually, he reminds of Favre because he's a gunslinger, but mechanics is a big deal and I think it would be a disservice to Mahomes to throw him in from the jump. I think he would benefit with a year or so sitting on the bench, and working with a QB coach who can settle those mechanics and make them repetitive in nature. His film is outstanding because he has so much big play ability, but I have seen many instances where he relies on his athleticism and pure arm strength too much. That kind of stuff will get you benched in the NFL very quickly.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-nfl-draft-strategy-for-browns-titans#Mahomes QB prospect worthy of the hype? Texas Tech's Patrick Mahomes has generated plenty of buzz in league circles, but he remains one of the most challenging evaluations in the 2017 draft class. The 6-foot-3, 230-pound gunslinger is unquestionably one of the most talented passers in the draft after passing for more than 11,000 yards and 93 touchdowns with only 29 interceptions in three seasons. Although the Red Raiders' Air Raid system certainly makes statistical stars out of every field general that steps behind the center, Mahomes' impressive combination of arm talent and athleticism gives him a legitimate shot of becoming a franchise quarterback at the next level. "He definitely has the tools to be a No. 1," said an NFC scout. "He's big and athletic with big-time arm talent. I know his numbers are inflated but he can make all of the throws. I think the kid can play. ... I like him a lot!" Despite the effusive praise being lavished on Mahomes, I believe evaluators face quite a dilemma when assessing his talent and potential. While there's no disputing his physical skills, there are certainly valid concerns regarding his ability to master a pro scheme after thriving in a system that allowed him to throw 40-plus times each week. Sure, the reps help the quarterback master the art of throwing the ball, but the simple reads and pick-and-stick throws associated with the scheme don't necessarily translate to the pro game. Thus, a team willing to take on Mahomes should consider him a developmental prospect and map out a long-term plan to help him grow into the position. Considering those factors alone, I was a little surprised to hear my colleague Ian Rapoport tell the Setting The Edge podcast that several people have pegged Mahomes as their "favorite quarterback" in the draft. Now, I definitely understand how evaluators fall in love with prospects based on their natural talents and athleticism, but quarterbacks are evaluated differently due to the rigorous demands of the position, particularly from a mental standpoint. In the NFL, the quarterback is the de facto CEO of the team and he must possess the leadership skills, aptitude, and diagnostic skills to direct an offense between the lines. Considering how the quarterback is viewed as the joystick for the offensive coordinator in the video-game-like Air Raid system, there are valid concerns regarding Mahomes' ability to assimilate into a pro-style scheme. Remember, there haven't been many NFL success stories in the Air Raid tree (Washington State, Texas Tech and Cal) despite the gaudy resumes of the field generals that have starred in the system. Sure, Jared Goff was the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 draft, but the football world is still waiting to see if he eventually cuts the mustard as a franchise quarterback. That's why there is some hesitation in anointing Mahomes as one of the top prospects due to the repeated failures of his predecessors from the system. After studying the tape of Mahomes' game, I believe his shoddy footwork and mechanics might trump the concerns about his ability to master concepts of an NFL scheme. Mahomes rarely takes a traditional drop in the pocket and his penchant for throwing balls while fading away or from a flat-foot platform leads to wayward throws down the field. In a league where accuracy is coveted at a premium, Mahomes' inconsistent mechanics could lead to a number of turnovers on tips and overthrows. While watching a "sandlot" playmaker deliver a few splash plays on tape is tantalizing, it's hard for a play caller to work with an improvisational specialist at the position when attempting to build winning game plans. Offensive coordinators prefer to take a systematic approach akin to a chess match when picking apart defenses from the press box (or sidelines) and it's challenging to stick to the script when the QB1 is at his best throwing alley oops at the end of scrambles. Now, that statement isn't meant to discredit Mahomes' talent as a big, athletic gunslinger, but his style of play doesn't necessarily fit structured systems that expect the quarterback to hit his designated receivers on time after going through his progressions. With that in mind, I'm still having a tough time envisioning Mahomes as a top-tier quarterback prospect despite his natural talents and potential. -- Bucky Brooks
I hope every other team looking for a QB reads this and takes it to heart, leaving the Jets to snap him up. I dunno. I still think "mechanics" are trumped by raw ability and that "something" that all the great ones have, but no one can seem to measure. How is it that this guy who has such "terrible" mechanics, and is so erratic, completes 11,000 yards worth of passes, and 93 TDs, and only 29 picks? Gosh, he's HORRIBLE! Yes, he's going to need to learn some things, and probably even change some things, but even as "horrible" as he is, he would still be better than anyone the Jets currently have or are likely to get. Take him at #6 and build on him from there.
If I'm taking a QB there, it's probably Mahomes. Regardless of which one I took, I'd expect that he would start day one, because the player the Jets take at #6 has to start and better make an immediate impact. If I don't think either one can start day one, I probably wouldn't take a QB.
Come on, we most certainly will hear goodell say "....quarterback, ken obrien from cal davis"........LOL Seriously this isn't quite like it was 35 years ago BUT you know the jets just do not have it in there DNA to do the right thing.
Probably Mahomes, but I'm going to hedge my bets to see how they do in the Combines and any other related data that can be found. But I just have a feeling that Mahomes has that "Thing" that the great ones have. He reminds me of Elway, and if he can come close to that, I'll take it.
Bucky is absolutely right on. Mahomes has way too many flaws to be a top 5 pick. Any team that takes him in the top 5 is making a HUGE mistake. Stay away from him! Now top 6 pick? That's a completely different story
There is a lot of talk about the Browns taking him at 12. I didn't read the entire thread and will go back and read it but has anyone posted the video of him throwing the ball 65 yards downfield from his knees yet?
