Seen him play on tape but his number sucked for a QB. How can u be a great QB when u have more INT then TD? Yes he won a SB but the D won that not Joe.
this sentence is the exact reason why you think he's overrated. people who saw him play know you are wrong... Like the coaches who opposed him during his career.
It was a different game when Joe played. There was no west coast, high percentage pass offense. Look at the numbers of other QB's of his time.
Not necessarily and Namath is proof. What he meant to the game, what he did for the game while he was playing, all that comes into account. Also, he didn't play in the numbers-driven league we have now with fantasy leagues and rolling stats everywhere, it didn't matter as much then. The QB called the plays, ran the game, totally different than now. For a while Joe Namath was football in this country, unfortunately for me it was before my time, I caught the end of his career.
Good point about wasting a veteran QB in a couple of years we had some real good talent. The worst part of the Todd deal is we got good value in a top 15 pick for him and drafted Ron Fauret who we cut in year 2. Total bust pick.
To me it just wasnt Namath who meant a lot for the game it the the whole 69 Jets team. They all should be in HOF after all it is a team sport.
apparently not since Joe is in the hall. You're argument fails. Shouldn't the #1 Jets Fan say Namath was not overrated? I'm not going to argue with you because its like talking to a wall. I've been down this road before. There is no changing your mind and your opinion, which is incorrect due to the evidence by everyone who played against him.
That's absurd, they don't put entire teams in the Hall. Namath was the leader, the Super Bowl MVP and the face of the AFL. The 1968 team means a lot to us because we're Jet fans, to the rest of the world it was Joe Namath.
Which made that trade an all-out disaster in my opinion. I was a huge O'Brien fan over time, but I didn't think that was his time or his team, to me it was Todd's.
what made him so great? because he wore a fur coat on the sidelines? because he did a panty hoses commerial? because he won a SB? it sure wasnt the stats so what made him so great? I always thought u get into HOF for what u do on the field.
84? I know O'Brien didn't start the whole season, but he played ten games and had a 74 passing rating. Jones was hurt, it was his last year, he only played 8 games, and Toon was not yet on the team. Gaffney didn't do much. Walker also only played 12 games. The Jets were thin at wideout that year. That's why they picked up Toon in the draft. Even McNeil missed four games. Nah, it was not all about the Qb that year... One more thing about O'Brien's career is you can't ignore the impact the downward spiral in the quality of the coaching staff had. Not just the individual coaches but replacing one after another. There was no consistency, no competence, and it all came to a culminating disaster with Kotite. Lucky for Kenny he was gone by then...
First in total Yards 66, 67, 72 2nd in total Yards 69,74 3rd in total Yards 68 1st in TD's in 72 2nd in TD's 67 and 69 Pro Bowl 65, 67, 68, 69, 72 All Pro 68 14.74 career YPC 7.35 career YPA First QB to pass for over 4000 yards. The best thing about Namath was he was absolutely one of the greatest pure passers of all time and an outright thing of beauty to watch throw the ball. Without Joe the Jets are a menagerie, the bearded lady an afterthought. With Joe the Jets were the main attraction in the three ring circus. He was the high wire act that made the Jets and the AFL relevant.
O'Brien really only played for two coaches his whole Jet career--Walton, who loved him, and Coslet who didn't. I was a big O'Brien fan, but looking back now, he was the beneficiary of stepping into a ready-made team. I thought he was good, very tough and a class act, but compared to Todd he came up small at the end of seasons, even his good seasons. Regarding 1984, we started 6-2 with Pat Ryan at QB, beat mostly bad teams, then after a couple losses they went with O'Brien, I think at 6-5 or so. Had Todd been there I think they would have been a steadier team throughout, not a powerhouse, you mentioned some of their shortcomings, but better than they were. They went 11-5 in 1985 and started 10-1 in 1986 with essentially the same team, Toon being the only big addition. Remember they drafted garbage in the mid 80s, they lived off of Walt Michaels' rebuilding job all the way until 1989.
Coslet was an ass who didn't like anyone. Someone I used to work with got cut by Coslet just because. O'Brien could have had a good career if the rest of the team wasn't in shambles. Damn shame...
You are of course correct that Walton was already there when Kenny started playing, but you also allude to the first change I was talking about - the way Walton (as I COMPLETELY AGREE with you) really took Michaels's team and had immediate success with it, particularly when Toon came and Kenny was hitting his stride. But meanwhile Walton and the CS were allowing the team to slowly decline, particularly with the OL. All those awful picks like Mike Haight. Ugh.... Walton stayed until 89, and then Coslet came in to work on the further decline of the franchise. In fairness to Bruce a good deal of the damage had already been done to Kenny because of the decline of the OL, not to mention Walker and Toon. By the time Coslet got there, Kenny had Rob Moore and T. Mathis, with Walker pretty much finished and Toon in decline, and overall a horrible year at Qb. Kenny was pretty much done by then.
