OT - Luck Looks Great...

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  1. xmscott

    xmscott Well-Known Member

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    So that's another 4th quarter come back win by Luck?

    Again, this thread sucks.
     
  2. Mitch_Dumstein

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    Nice win.....

    For the Jets in the wildcard
     
  3. TutanKhaman

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    Looks like Andrew Luck was at it again stinking up the joint. That INT he threw was something similar to what a guy name Weeden would. Luck is the younger version of Weeden. The guy is horrible. lmao
     
  4. Br4d

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    Luck's a decent QB. He probably isn't worth giving 600 throws too though and that's what I think is becoming apparent. He's looking like a Trent Green caliber QB with a ceiling in the Roethlisberger range not a Peyton Manning.

    That's still a very good QB and if he avoids the injury bugaboo that slammed Green or hits his ceiling he's going to win a lot of games in the NFL.
     
  5. plasticsloth

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    Wow. This has got to be one of the worst posts I've seen on this board. How do explain him dominating before Wayne got hurt? He's clearly missing that veteran presence and is throwing to a bunch of scrubs. His Oline and running game are also putrid. His receivers are one trick ponies. Hilton is his only talented WR and he specializes in deep throws where Luck doesn't have time. Easy for defenses to sell out on the pass and for the front seven to pin their ears back and go right after him. Luck will be a top 5 QB. He was looking like it early this season when he went into SF and spanked the 49ers and gave the Seahawks their only loss thus far.
     
  6. Biggs

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    Trent Green? You obviously don't have a clue. The guy is a bigger faster version of Roethlisberger with a better release and overall arm. Trent Green would have been taken off the field in a box last Sunday.

    Roethlisberger is probably going into the HOF. Apparently it takes 2 Manning's to win SB at the rate of one Roethlisberger.
     
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  7. Br4d

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    Look at his actual accuracy.

    Not the vision of Andrew Luck as a great QB but where the throws actually go. He doesn't have the touch that the great QB's of the last generation minus Brett Favre had.

    He is a good QB because he makes strong throws downfield and when he has really good receivers that turns into a lot of yardage. He has great escapability also, which makes him somewhat line independent in the same way that Green was and Roethlisberger is.
     
  8. Biggs

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    The Colts as a team blow. I saw it up close. Both sides of the ball outright mediocre. Luck is the shining star on a team that literally is a mid pack D and has talent like the Jets on O.

    Luck not only got out of multiple sacks last week he had drops all over the field including touch passes in the flat. The guy is playing with Jets like O talent with a mid pack at best D.

    He can throw the ball with anyone and he is tough as nails. This isn't some soft prospect who is going to crumble under pressure. This is a guy who can shed defenders and hit WR any place on the field. He is a good QB because he's smart as they come and he's an incredible athlete who can make all the throws. This isn't a dumb kid who's soft.

    The Colts got the first pick in the draft for more reasons then the QB. The Colts have a winning record because of the QB.

    FYI the Cardinals are looking brilliant for hiring Arians as their HC. He did a brilliant job last year with the Colts and the Cardinals coming out of the bye look like a very well coached team on both sides of the ball.
     
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  9. Br4d

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    Yeah, because Coby Fleener, Ty Hilton and D-H Bey are as bad as what the Jets have.

    Riiiiigggghhhhttt,,,,
     
  10. Br4d

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    Just look at the completion percentages to various receivers and it becomes obvious that receiver quality doesn't really matter with Luck at this point. The guys who are catching passes from him are catching passes at or below their career levels.

    When that happens it means the QB is at least as big a part of the conversation as the guys he is throwing too.

    Now all of this said, I don't think Andrew Luck is a bad QB despite his low completion percentages. I think he's a good QB. I just don't think he's going to be a great QB in the end. What we've seen from him so far suggests that he's going to be a good QB in the NFL and that as long as he doesn't become the whole show for the Colts he's going to win a lot of games.

    If the Colts try to make him into a Peyton Manning and use him in the same way the odds are really good he's going to wind up disappointing them despite playing well in the process. No team should ever ask a player to do something that he is not capable of doing and no young QB in the NFL right now is capable of being another Peyton Manning.
     
  11. Biggs

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    The guys catching passes from him with the exception of Bey only cought passes from him. They are both second year starters both drafted after the Jets drafted Hill. Neither of them are anything special.

    Bey was released by Oakland because he never recovered his form after his concussion in game 3 of the 2012 season. Bey was signed for chump change especially if you compare it to what we paid Holmes. He lost his starting job on the Raiders before he was cut.
     
  12. Br4d

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    Reggie Wayne has caught passes from Luck at a 57.1% rate. Last year he caught 106 passes but he was targeted 194 times, by far the largest number of targets in his career.

    This was because Luck was looking at him hard, which is a normal reaction for a rookie QB if he has a really good guy to target. Just look for the guy and hope he's open.

    BTW, I don't compare Bey to the established receivers on the Jets who are unproductive due to injury. He's an example of the kind of bottom of the roster guy that Geno has been playing with all year and that Sanchez played with last year. Even so, he's better than what the Jets street guys have been.

    Ty Hilton on the other hand is better than Stephen Hill by leaps and bounds at this point.

    Coby Fleener is much better than what the Jets have available in Cumberland and Winslow. He's like a younger version of Winslow who has not lost a step. He's the guy who Luck has the most success with because many of the throws to him are under 10 yards and in the middle of the field.

    When Luck had Wayne, Hilton, Fleener and Bay as his 4 main receiving options he was pretty blessed compared to what the Jets have had. He actually had a professional receiving corps helping him through the early inconsistencies. With Wayne gone his passing ability has taken a bit of a hit because now he is working with just a couple of guys he can really rely on. Bey has taken a big step back also because he now has the defense's attention with only a couple of other real options on the field.
     
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  13. joe

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    You smell.
     
  14. TutanKhaman

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    Dominating? Lol, you're funny. Luck has been stinking up the joint before Wayne got injured. Excuses, excuses, excuses.
     
  15. TutanKhaman

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    I agree completely with your analysis of Luck because you seem pretty honest and not bias at all. To add what you said, I believe Luck will end up playing for different teams in the future because of the inability to meet the high expectations put on him. Unless you can find both a Calvin Johnson and an A.J Green as receivers with Peterson as the running back, the colts will not be going deep into the playoffs or even sometimes miss the playoffs with Luck. With the legacy Peyton left behind just making the playoffs will not be enough. Tennessee and the Texans will be much better next year as they settle their QB situations so the Colts won't have those guaranteed 6 division wins they're used to. And as early as next year(Cam's coming out year) Luck will be expected to show something. This "all he does is win" thing will not last for too long. Just like it didn't last for Tebow.
     
  16. Biggs

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    He's opinion honest or biased doesn't make your opinion honest or biased. John Elway didn't meet his high expectations until he was well passed his peak performance and surrounded by great talent. That's been the case with most NFL QB's who were great. Lets face it Payton Manning hasn't met the fans expectations even though he is one of the greatest QB's of all time. Why? He has rarely if ever had enough talent around him to overcome other teams with great QB play and great talent around them.

    Teams don't win SB with just great QB's. Dan Marino is arguably the greatest overall QB in NFL history and he has won exactly zero SB. Payton has one 1 SB.

    The argument that he isn't great because the talent around him isn't great simply doesn't wash. Colt fans with all the winning under Manning had very few good playoff runs under Manning. They probably understand that it takes great talent on both sides of the ball to actually go deep in the playoffs and win a SB.

    Not many Dolphin fans think Bob Griese is better then Dan Marino. Yet few would trade those SB teams for the Dan Marino lead Dolphins.
     
  17. Br4d

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    Just to be clear, you put great players around Luck and you may very well make him great. Joe Montana is for my money one of the greatest QB's of all time but on a team that didn't stockpile talent around him he'd never have gotten there. He might well be a name that we barely remember now.

    On his own, with average talent surrounding him, I don't think Luck's going to be great. Good is a good place to be as an NFL QB. You have a long career and you win a bunch of games. You even have a shot at a ring here or there if the stars align just right for you.
     

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