Opponents Strategy: On defense, stack the box and let Geno prove you wrong

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  1. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure everyone who's hating on Geno has an asshole. I'm also pretty sure there is a difference between excuses and critical thinking.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    I am trying to be generous, but I don't see any rational explanation coming out of Geno Fans as to why they really think he's going to succeed. The best that can be done for him is to sit him, have him try and regroup in the off season, and come back and see if he can show improvement in camp and pre-season. It's possible.

    But meanwhile the Jets simply have to look elsewhere.

    As for this season, what remains of it, I see no evidence that playing Smith is helping him, or is going to help him going forward. Meanwhile i know Simms was somewhat better without being effective. I would still give him a chance practicing all week with the first team. It makes no sense not to try that.
     
  3. Biggs

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    I'm a fan and I have some knowledge of the game from watching it over years. Still at the end of the day I recognize that Geno is over his head right now but it doesn't mean he can't or won't be a good NFL QB at some point.

    Now while it seems obvious to me as a fan that Geno should sit right now, I'm not managing his development. As a fan I also think if Jets management feels that playing him is better then sitting him and they feel it's in the long term interest of the team, I can respect that position even though I might prefer to watch someone else QB the team this Sunday.

    At the end of the day management either gets it right or gets replaced. That's how the real world works. If they believe in Geno and think it helps him to continue to play that's clearly the right move until it's proved wrong over time.
     
  4. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    There are arguments for why Geno will succeed eventually but it's a lot of work to make them and until he shows a real spark I don't think people are going to spend a lot of time on them.

    Here's a half-hearted attempt: in 1989 Troy Aikman joined a really bad Cowboy's offense and had a really bad year. In retrospect we recognize that the initial year was more about the personnel around him and being a rookie than it was about Troy Aikman.
     
  5. Big Blocker

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    I know something about Troy Aikman. Geno Smith is no Troy Aikman, not at any point of Aikman's career.

    First of all Aikman was the first overall selection in the 1989 draft. I'd say the boys had alot more invested in him than the Jets have in Smith.

    And while the overall record the following year was poor, Aikman had some memorable moments, like setting the NFL record for rookies in total passing yardage at 379, back then. He also won the starting job in camp. Smith did not. And also his college career was far superior to Smith's.
     
  6. IIMeanDeanII

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    I'm not a fan of Geno's yet. I'm just looking at things from a logical perspective. The fact is, our offensive talent at the skill positions is shit outside of possibly Kerley. That's just sad.

    Our offensive line has been piss poor in pass protection this year, it's obviously not all their fault with the sacks but they have only produced average results and that's just not good enough in the NFL.

    This has been a continued theme for several years now and success is completely out of reach no matter who is QB on this team, unless we revamp the offensive talent. Especially at the skill positions.

    I honestly have no idea if Geno is or will be a good QB because the odds are so extremely stacked against him. I feel/felt the same way about Sanchez, I will never know if he is good or not because he never truly had elite talent around him either.

    Until that happens, we just won't know.

    If either of those guys had talent like Josh Freeman had and still failed, then you could say hands down, they are complete failures.

    It's unfair. As fans even, it's unfair because we truly can not know because of the bullshit that keeps settling on this offensive roster.
     
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  7. DanR

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    What bothers me about Geno the most is he's ready to take praise for not doing very little. I'm not sure if he's shown any upside. I remember how at the start of the season fans were so amazed by his "poise."
     
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  8. IIMeanDeanII

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    WTF??

    What was he supposed to say?

    "Poised? Nah, man. That's not me."
     
  9. cval

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    What baffles me is how anybody could be surprised at what is happening. All the signs where there Geno was not ready. Just listen to the comments from the coaches that have leaked and what we heard. Geno has bad footwork he struggles with his dropbacks etc etc.

    Geno should not have been a day 1 starter in fact Geno should not have been a starter at all this year. He needed time with David Lee and Marty to learn the mechanics of an NFL Qb. Throw on top of that a complicated WC offense Geno had no chance to succeed with good talent and the Jets do not have any talent with the injuries.

    The fan base just wanted to get rid of Sanchez he is horrible even though he had a good camp and looked good in the preseason getting more comfortable in the WC offense. Politics won out on the day and Sanchez got hurt and Geno was forced to play before he was ready. I called this happening before the season started.

    Another strange thing happened the Jets pulled a couple victories out of defeat with some good game plans on the offense side of the ball and some great defense.

    Now there was film and there were injuries. the jets could not afford to lose Holmes or and they lost both. So any plan to hide Geno was lost was figured out quickly and we may now have ruined another talented QB prospect.
     
  10. James Hasty

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    Until Winters improves his technique defenses will continue to dance into our backfield.
     
  11. tiger8mush

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    I think the key (to Aikman's success) was the team built around him:
    1988 - WR Irvin
    1989 - QB Aikman, FB Johnston, C Stepnoski + signed HC Jimmy Johnson
    1990 - RB Emmitt Smith (and TE Novacek and RG Gesek via trade)
    1991 - WR Harper, RT Erik Williams

    Record:
    '88 3-13
    '89 1-15
    '90 7-9
    '91 11-5
    '92 12-4
    etc

    In '89, Aikman had a QB rating of 55.7 in 11 games, lower than fellow rookie Steve Walsh's rating of 60.5. This is a team that had its future left side of OL in place with Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei, and WRs Irvin and Kelvin Martin. Still needed its RB, rest of the OL, TE and WR Harper. Imagine how pissed in '89 the fans were in the #1 overall pick in the draft having a passer rating of 55.7 even with a great WR and great left side of OL. The pieces they acquired over the next 2 years is what made it happen. Granted, they had a lot of high draft picks and picked up amazing defensive talent in addition to the amazing offensive talent. And I'm not saying Geno/Simms/Sanchez is the next Aikman, but we have to pick up some OL/WR/TE talent just like the cowboys did in '90 and '91 before counting out a QB.

    Flame away :)
     

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