Anyone who saw Michigan State muffed Gatorade Shower after winning the Rose Bowl knows the shower isn't a given. I commend the Jets players, most of them young and inexperienced, working on their game after the season ended. It wasn't a celebration, it was practice.
JB, Even when I disagree with you I think you are a thoughtful poster. But it seems obvious to me that the point you are not getting is that whatever was in the players' heads it was inappropriate to do the Gatorade shower when the team finished the season 8-8. You can disagree with that. You can agree with me it was great that they beat Miami. But imo beating Miami did not justify the Gatorade shower. It makes the shower trivial. Perhaps that is okay, too, and I hold no special stock myself in Gatorade showers. But I also recognize that other teams, other fans, have a general sense of the whole Gatorade shower thing. And objectively I would think most of them would not think it appropriate to have one when the team finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs. Now, is it fair to go beyond that and also complain that the players were perhaps undisciplined, focusing on too low a standard for celebration, and that sort of thing? Again that can be debated, but for myself I would not rule out such criticisms. It did seem not only odd but undisciplined. But the main point is that on the field as the team finished out a non-playoff 8-8 season, the argument is that was not the time for a Gatorade shower.
I think that broad stroke ignores the complexity and context of the situation. the players maybe had no idea that Rex would be returning, especially if you consider their reaction shortly after in the locker room when it was announced that he would be. for the players, it is possible and even likely that the Gatorade bath was about Rex, and celebrating a victory with him, perhaps for the last time, and congratulate him for what could be his final victory as their coach. from that perspective a Gatorade bath is completely appropriate. the only way to criticize it is to take the perspective that the players are so unmotivated and have no concept of what it is to be successful that they would celebrate an 8-8 season as a success. that's a pretty cynical position to take on guys who are professionals and likely have as much drive to succeed, and thus a concept of success, as anyone of us.
then it could still be about Rex and celebrating the victory for him because he was able to keep his job and how he persevered through a tough season that everyone had already concluded would be his last. point is there is likely more to the situation than you are reducing it to, and your reduction requires an absolute cynical and unfounded position on the Jets players, and a ridiculous conclusion that they have such a minimal standard for success that the Gatorade bath must mean they believe 8-8 season is as worthy for a celebration as the Super Bowl, and thus the celebration must be about the 8-8 season just because you don't know of the other motivations and can't conceive of it because or your very simple idea that celebrations can only pertain to the victory itself and the final record of the season, not something maybe more personal. the more plausible explanation is likely that the players are highly motivated, have a reasonable concept of what is success, and were celebrating something other than the 8-8 record with the bath.
Like I said, and as an authority on the subject, I don't really care why they were celebrating it looked ridiculous given what we know. The gatorade bath is generally reserved for big wins. Seeing a team break it out after an 8-8 no playoff season appears clownish regardless of why.
the rings of Saturn appear to be solid objects from a distance, but knowledge of what they actually are says that isn't so. I'd rather base my concepts and perspectives on facts, and absent of facts consider all reasonable possibilities, not appearances which are deceiving and can lead to false conclusions, or unreasonable conclusions which are dependent on cynical and unrealistic possibilities.
I don't think this is accurate. Rex was told that he would be coming back prior to the game, not the players. I believe the video that shows Woody and Idzik talking to the players (followed by a huge celebration) happened right after the game.
Can't believe you guys are still arguing about this. They weren't celebrating an 8-8 season, they were showing admiration for their coach. Who fuckin cares.
Clueless? It's only Rex's greatest year coaching if you have your head up your ass and looking for the remains of last years coke binge. Rex did an absolutely amazing job in both 09 and 2010. The 09 team was brilliantly coached on the Defensive side of the ball and after they simplified the scheme and took the ball out of Sanchez's hands they were well coached on both sides of the ball. In 2010 Rex corrected a huge mistake, blitzing at all costs, so that the team was able to defend against the Pats in the playoffs. A great coaching job. This team was adequately coached until teams got tape on us and adjusted. The Jets after the bye played themselves out of contention against some very week teams where the Jets were simply out coached both in effort and scheme. He adjusted after it was over. Not a great coaching job by any means and certainly not his best as HCNYJ. The 2006 Jets overachieved by winning 10 games. This team is week on O and strong on D. It had 8 games written all over it. Lets look at what the experts predicted: NFC South, Atlanta mostly some Tampa Bay AFC South, Houston NFC East, Mostly Washington Some NY Giants ACE North, Everyone picked everyone except Cleveland Who picked the Chiefs to win 10 plus or the Cardinals to win 10 games before the season. The NFL does several things to even the playing field. Bad teams get a slightly easier schedule. In the Jets case they are in a division with 3 teams that didn't have a winning record. That's 4 games against teams that aren't very good. There were only 9 teams in the entire league that had less then 7 wins. Going 8 and 8 isn't overachieving in the NFL. Bad teams do it every year. The Chiefs won 11 games and they are the essence of a mediocre team. The 2006 Jets overachieved. That was a bad team on both sides of the ball and they pulled out 10 wins and made the playoffs. The 2013 Jets were a good d bad o mediocre team that won 8 games and lost 8 games. They were in the hunt and got blistered by bad teams who outcoached us after the bye.
WOW. The offseason is brutal on this forum. A gatorade shower? Who gives a shit! All the players were celebrating that their coach (who they love) was retaining his job. Your right, it is something you don't see happen, and some may think that is either a testament to Rex's job as a coach, or player's immaturity, or both. I personally, think it was a little bit of both, but immaturity? I think excitement is the better word. These players are fucking men and they bust their ass all year. If they are exciting about retaining a coach who they think brings out their potential and gives them a great chance to win (and just knocked their arch-rivals out of the playoffs), then they have a right to do that. There's something called "looking too much into things." It's a gatorade shower, if you think it speaks of an immature culture on the team, thats your point of view, but chances are you just need to lighten up.
Being pro-Rex Ryan I enjoyed it. We were supposed to be 2-14 and he was supposed to be fired. Fuck the media.
I wonder how much time it took to hunt down a bunch of pictures of unhappy coaches, adjust their sizes, lay them out, label them with their records? Probably not too hard to find a happy picture of Ryan because he's an optimist, or a couple of his players showing how they feel about him regardless of their record. To do all this shows some people must have very little going on in their own lives to spend this much time on nonsense. I know, I just spent hours trying to find a happy picture of that guy up north I could put a big "12-4" over.
Pro-Rex arguments here often refer to how 8-8 is superior to the generally more negative pre-season prognositications made last off season. But that is as you point out an exceedingly weak argument. I myself predicted worse, but that was because of several factors that occured only one of which can be laid to Rex, and in that case not to his credit. I thought for example the Jets would have a major league Qb controversy if they continued starting Sanchez, and Rex did "fix" that one, but not to his credit. Several other things, like TB giving the game away, Atlanta folding with major injuries at home where they hardly ever lost before, and were supposed to win their division, NO also suffering major injuries in a road game when they were generally much worse on the road, and similar breaks were major factors that led to the higher than predicted win total. Meanwhile the Jets once again came out of the bye totally unprepared for the season's remainder, and any playoff hopes went down the drain. This period included embarassing losses to division rivals Buffalo and Miami. I mean come on. Having said that i do give Rex credit for his handling of Milliner. While it is far from a sure thing that Milliner will be a long term success, I am fairly confident that he will avoid being a bust. And while Miami folded as much to Buffalo as the Jets, I am glad that the Jets beat Miami to end the season, avoiding Rex going 3-7 against the fish. Which is kind of a meh situation, of course, but i still enjoyed the win. No, not a great coaching job by Rex. I agree.
MHO is most on this board know we are losers & have been so for now for 44 years so they pick on any positive like going ffrom 3-13 to 8-8 as a big wow. Then they compare it to other bottom feeders & say see these bottom feeders like Jax & Hout & TB are worse then us making us SB timber. When they post this silliness they do not take into consideration how negative a post that is since they are lumping us with all the other losers in the league :sad:
