The original poster was right on two things: #1. Most of you are 15-20 and have no idea of the real NYJ history. You just know the Jets since Parcells has come in. #2. This WILL go down as one of the worst trades the jets have ever done. J. Abe was a f***ing beast. Any game he was in he could change the outcome when needed. Ever since his first start vs TB in 2000 (he was a rookie) when he sacked the QB and forced a fumble for us to get the ball back.
Well, we never were going to get Schaub and a 2nd, which would've been a better deal than a late 1st.
A little Jet history. With Abe we never won more than 10 games in a season and were never a serious SB contender. Moving Abe allows us to replace him with a franchise QB and sign at least 2 FA who can help this team loaded with holes. We didn't trade the leader of our D who is Vilma and we didn't trade a player who can lead us to a SB from the defensive side of the field. The guy was not Lawrence Taylor.
We can spin it however we like, the truth is this is not a great deal for us.I think the Broncos were the winners of this .They give up number 29 and 3rd round and 4th round picks to move up 14 spots.We give up a pro bowler and a proven Sackmaster to move up two spots (from the 31 that seattle was willing to give us). I know we will spin it and say Abe didnt want to be here, he didnt fit the 3-4, he was injured, he is selfish, greedy etc, but the bottom line is this is not such a great deal like we are making it out to be.Again all will depend on how this plays out if John plays like he did here In NY and we draft a player who doesnt do so well then the draft will be judged on that.
This just in: The Jets were 4-12 with Abe last year. I am sure they can manage that next year without him.
Well, with any deal or change, it is difficult, and in New York, impossible to please everyone. Your opinion was fairly stated, but I must disagree. I think it was a great deal given the full scope of the situation. Let me put it to you this way, you may not like this deal, but if Herm and Bradway put together a different package that dealt Abe, you would be ready to stick 2 wet fingers in a wall socket right now. Let it rest. Let's see how it pans out in the draft and then let's judge after whom ever we pick up starts to contribute.
This is true, but one man does not make a team. We went 4-12 last year with a healthy Abe who played a full season.
4-12 with ABE We were 4-12 with all the players on our roster, should we trade every single one of them too? Vilma, Rhodes, barrett, Barton, Ellis etc ? Come on Abe did not line up at all the positions, He is but one man.They are esctatic here in denver and are talking on the radio talkshows about packaging these picks to move up higher, they see Mario williams as a younger version of Abe. We were robbed, we did not come out on top like we want to believe.
Abe was a great pass rusher, but he was never an all around DE. He was not good in coverage which is why he could not be moved to LB and not very good against the run. But when the Jets had a lead and it was 3rd and long, he was amazing. I would also think that on turf in the Georgia Dome, Abe will be even faster. But I also see him getting a sports hernia rather quickly too.
The guy didn't want to be here. The Jets didn't want him to be here. The Jets, Broncos and Falcons all got what they wanted. Seriously, you really can't worry about what other teams may or may not do. And I agree that Abe was a great player. BUT, the fact of the matter is, he was not going to fit into the long-term plans of the team. If you don't like the long-term plans Tangini are starting to put together, there is not much I can say...IMO, it is better than Badway and Herm. They got what they got and it is time to move on.
You do realize we could get Mario Williams and with the money we saved on Abe we can sign Runyon and another player and we can pick up a nice Young player in the draft with the pick we got for him.
I'm still in between on this trade. John Abraham was our best player on defense. I'm not too upset about the trade because we are switching to 3-4 and he didn't really fit into that mold, but I'm not sure if Mario Williams does either. He was worth more than the 29th pick, but we got the best offer we could get and that is a good trade.
#1 To much of a generalization of the posters here. There are plenty of fans from the Michaels/Walton era who are here who arent "darksiders" #2 I guess we will on who we draft. Abe was a beast when he played and was usually the best defensive player on the field when he played but its time to move on. I can really see the Jets taking Mario Williams with the 4th pick now and if they do that, then Abe will be forgotten as quickly as Hugh Douglas was.
HEYHEY...I feel like everyone in this thread is missing the simple point. Mangini is not the coach, Herm is gone. WE ARE goin to run a 3-4, Abe DOES NOT fit in that scheme. He is a great DE in a 4-3 scheme, he would be blown off the ball by double teams in a 3-4. Abe was a goner as soon as Herm was. I truly feel that if Herm stayed, ABE would have gotten his LTD, and in the end, three years down the road when the Jets cap trouble were linked back to the huge deal we gave Abe, who was then 30yrs old and always injured we would have been like, "dam, i wish we could have gotten that first rounder." Is he right now worth more than a 29th pick, yes, but thats the best we could get, so take it and move on. He will be hurt on that turf in ATL in no time and everyone will be relieved, so just chill. To the original poster...if Abe is such a "game cahnging" player, how come we were 4-12 last year and could not stop the run for shit. Where was he when we were making our SB run, do not tell me he was to hurt to play, you telliing Gastineau would not have played, you telling me LT would not have played. Chad was playing with a torn cuff, Abe was bitching and moaning on the sideline. i do not care, I will never forgive him.
It's too bad you had to curse and get yourself banned,because I agree,totally. We should have never let Abe go. When you have a top 5 pick,John Abe was what you can only hope that pick turns out to be. We get a stellar player finally out of a top pick,and we let him get away,for a 29th? How dumb is that? Out of all years,this was our chance to sign whomever we needed to,to built on a side of the ball with longevity and youth. He wasn't a rookie,but he did just play a full season finally,and thats a step up. Dumb,just plain dumb!
There are plenty here from before WM that arent "darksiders" as well. While there are plenty of long time fans who are very discouraged there are also arent and are looking forward to the new season.
I seriously dont understand how people could be upset about this trade. the FO didnt want to overpay for a one dimentional cry baby. Abe is a great player but that is really what he is.
Abe was a good player NOT a great player. There's a diffrence between the two. Lawrence Taylor scared defenses he made big plays in big games. Abe disappeared in big games a good part ofd the time. In 2004 he sat with his knee duribg the playoff run due to his impending free agency. He could've signed the same deal as Ellis but refused. He was damaged goods and as such the Jets had a hard time getting fair value for him. All in all he won't be missed.
I would be a lot more understanding if people would just be a little more honest with themselves. It is okay to just say "Hey - I am going to miss John Abraham!". That's all. There is no need for drama, name-calling and over exaggerating. Hey I am going to miss him too. Watching him destroy an Olineman's confidence on the way to putting a hurt on the QB was always a pleasure to watch. But the other side to this is it is a business. For many reasons that have already been mentioned Abe HAD to go. Bottom line. The FO did a great job of negotiating a good pick. To think that ATL would give up a 15 was just high hopes. As a Jets fan I would not give up a #15 for an overpriced 1 dimensional player(yeah he's a gamechanger - but only as a pass rusher). Come here people - vent and commiserate. This is a place to express your grief. We understand that you are in shock. But don't misplace that grief by lashing out at your fellow Jets fans. <hugs all around>
