Bradshaw finished in the top 5 in the AFC in completion percentage one time and Favre finished in the top 5 in the NFC 11 times, if my numbers are correct. For the sake of this argument, this is a rare time when you solve a football debate by looking at the numbers. Seems to be an open and shut case as to which player was more accurate in comparison to their contemporaries. Of course, if you put Favre in the 1970s and had Bradshaw playing today the numbers would be different, but Bradshaw still wouldn't be top 5 in his conference and Favre would still have been top 5 in his conference.
I do not think that this is the draft class to be lookling for our next QB. We need to build the o-line, suffer maybe with clemens at QB for the whole season. We also need to build the d-line. Let's use this offseason to build the trenches. Then hope the game slows down for the kid. I hope he is watching tape and working on his mechanics in oregon. But at this point, reaching for a QB this year would be the height of desparation.
Bradshaw was one of the great QB in NFL history he absolutely deserves to be recognized as such and he was probably the best single player on an incredible team. Bradshaw was the anti-Chad in almost every respect. He was not terribly accurate but he was a player that could make game changing plays against great teams in pressure situations and he had an absolute cannon for an arm.
This is pretty much the plan to success. Unfortunately there are Jet fans who think Christmas should come five times a year and they will complain if we have another losing season.
Just because he won big games doesn't make him good. What was his completion percentage and QB rating? We need to know.
His completion percentage was 1.8% higher than Joe Namath. His QB rating was 5.4 points higher. Overall, Bradshaw was one of the most inaccurate starting QB's in post-merger NFL history. His passing rating is among the lowest of all 5 year+ starters. He was also a great QB, even given those metrics, because of his ability to drive the Steelers for 7 when they needed it, regardless of the opponent. As Winstonbiggs says, he was the anti-Chad. Numbers that don't say much and field leadership that speaks volumes.
BULLSEYE what you posted is totally 100% correct! Good for you for your understanding of what occurred. As for BS those were "gadget" plays emulating what Pitt did with Slash & they are most easy to implement vs changing a entire O from a weak armed QB to a strong armed QB not to say we do not even have the WRs required to run a vertical O
Nice reply. I missed the initial post, but you are right he described in a nutshell what actually happened last season.
So you guys believe that this regime showed up here, immediately drafted a QB in the 2nd round, went through another full off season and pre-season with him, put him in the game and didn't have any plays for him? Sorry, that sounds like an excuse to me. He's been in the offense as long as everyone else here.
What is this "QB rating" thing some of you folks have been writing about in the past hour? http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=739002&postcount=31
Thats fine if you do not agree but what you posted is 100% correct what occurred last season. I am talking of this post Originally Posted by Italian Seafood Yeah, I got that you have no idea what you are talking about. You're saying the coaching staff came here and drafted Clemens, then over the span of almost two seasons left themselves totally unprepared for the possibility that he would enter a game. Yet at the same time they managed to design a whole package of plays for Brad Smith, who isn't even a QB. Sorry man, I think you're making excuses for the fact that Clemens didn't run the offense as well as we hoped he would.
He has been in Chad's offense as long as anybody else here. The offense was designed for Dink and Dunk not Run and Gun.
Hey, smart guy. The West Coast has never been a Run 'n Gun offense. It has traditionally used your "Dink n' Dunk" system of plays. Not only that, but it also has room in it for passes thrown deep to stretch the field. It has even been run by some of the more mobile QB's in the league. You keep acting like the longest play in the Jets playbook is a 7 yard out pattern. Please stop giving me the idea that you are clueless. Thanks.
I was more reacting to your description of the Jet's drafting Clemens while maintaining the current playbook but adding a suite of plays for Brad Smith. That's a VERY accurate description of what they did. Chad was a semi-unique QB, in the general mold of Rich Gannon and a few other short passing specialists, but with an injury history that basically diminished his physical talents very rapidly. Expecting Clemens to pick up a playbook that was tailored for a ball distributor without arm strength but with great short passing touch and then run it well was a stretch. Adding a suite of option plays for Brad Smith was just chutzpah, when you have a rookie and then a second year QB who is going to need a new playbook as well. The Jets got what they deserved at QB last season. It was just painful for the rest of us to have to deal with it also.
The longest play is actually 15 yards. Or a 15 yard bomb in Chad's case! We can have a Qb who can throw why not let him! Did I not say the offense (West Coast-ball control offense) was designed for DINK AND DUNK? What part of that did you miss exactly? I said the OFFENSE was designed for CHAD DINK and DUNK and not Kellen who can stretch the field. We do not need and offense for Kellen with room for long passes we need and offense that is based on stretching the field.
Actually, its ironic that you use Gannon as the measure. One of the scouting reports on Clemens describes as being Gannonesque, when he is on. The problem is people always seem to forget that a Qb in a WCO style system does have to be able to deliver the 7 step drop type of passes, or else (as you see with Chad) the defense just cheats up and outside, to take away the meat of the Offense.
